Sheela Foam Limited (SFL) February 4, 2026 Conference Transcript

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Madhuri, moderator for the conference call. Welcome to the Sheila Foam Limited Q3 FY26 Investors Call. As a reminder, all participants will be in listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Do you need any assistance during the conference call? Please signal an operator by pressing star and then zero on a touch-tone telephone. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand over the floor to Mr. Gulshan. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Yeah, thank you, ma'am. Good evening and very warm welcome to everyone. On behalf of Suniri Securities, I welcome you all to a SILAFOAM Limited Q3 F526 earning conference call. Today we have with us a management represented by Mr. Rahul Gautam, Chairman and Managing Director, Mr. Rakesh Chair, Deputy Managing Director, and Mr. Amit Kumar Gupta, our Group CFO. We thank SILAFOM for giving us the opportunity to host the call. I would now like to hand over the floor to the management for their opening remark, post which we will open the floor for Akivane. Thanks, and over to you, Rahul, sir.

Thank you, Gurshan, and thank you, Madhuri. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. At the outset, let me thank you all for attending this conference call to discuss our operational and financial results for Q3 and for the nine months ending December 25. I do hope you've gone through the results and the earnings presentation, which has been uploaded on our website. I am pleased to inform you that the merger of Curlon is now complete in all respects, with all requisite filings duly made with the Registrar of Companies. Curlon has emerged as a significant turnaround for the group. Prior to Curlon acquisition, SFL on a consolidated basis was at an EBITDA margin between 10% to 11%. At the time of acquisition, Curlon's EBITDA was in the mid single digit. We have continuously improved Curlon's operations and have achieved a consolidated core EBITDA of the combined Indian operations of 10% for the last nine months, which is completely in line with SFL margins of pre-acquisition of Curlon. This we achieved with a 7% plus top-line growth, and we will continue to focus on accelerating this growth going forward. The synergies and integration benefits realized through this acquisition have created a meaningful value for the company, and we are confident that CurlOn will continue to contribute positively to our long-term growth and shareholder value. Our India business core margins have remained firmly in the double-digit range in Q3 and have been sustained consistently over 10% in the past nine months as well. This reinforces our confidence to sustain margins while driving growth. Our business segments have also shown remarkable growth this year. The volume growth for mattresses has been 11% year-on-year for the nine-month period. Value realization has also been almost at similar levels of 9% during this period with marginal impact of higher growth in the U2O segment, which is the unorganized to organized segment, which was erstwhile called as STI. The price increases across Slippel and Kirlan products were implemented towards the end of Q3, and we expect their full impact to get reflected in Q4. On the retail front, we added approximately 600 net new showrooms over the last nine months and remain on track to increase to approximately 700 showrooms by the end of the financial year. Curl-on showroom expansions, particularly in northern India, continue to gain strong traction, underscoring the brand's consumer strength. In addition, we plan to operationalize select company-owned, company-operated stores over the next six months to further gain some retail wisdom. Additionally, we are developing pillows as a focused growth area, growth category, within the home comfort segment, and with collaborations which are underway. Our e-commerce business grew by 53% year-on-year over the last nine months, reaching net revenues of around $180 crores for the nine-month period, driven by a focused strategy. Targeted consumer marketing and portfolio expansion at value-accretive price points. Our unorganized to organized business, the U2O, which I mentioned earlier, formerly known as STI, now operates through over 8,000 dealers in more than 5,000 towns in 24 states. The segment grew by nearly 100% over the last nine months, reaching a turnover of 75 crores by end of December 25 and reaching a run rate of 120 crores, supported by continued product innovation across mass, value, and economy segments. In form, volumes grew by approximately 20% year-on-year in Q3, FY26, and by 12% over the nine-month period. Value growth stood at 12% in Q3 and 6% for nine months, impacted by lower raw material prices compared to a similar period of last year. With input costs firming up and recent price increases in place, we expect value growth to be in line with volume growth in Q4. We are continuously expanding our customer pipeline by identifying, investing, and developing new market opportunities to create a healthy sales pipeline. Overall, we remain confident in growth outlook of our India operations, supported by strong brands, expanding distribution, and a disciplined execution, as we continue to focus on sustainability and profitability in the growth. Turning to our international business, our business in Dubai and the wider GCC region continues to progress in a steady and encouraging manner. We are already present through exclusive retail stores across each of the Emirates, providing us with a strong on-ground foundation. In addition, we have entered into collaborations with leading local large format retail chains, which will further deepen our presence across the GCC over the next three to six months. To support this growing footprint, we have taken deliberate steps to enhance the responsiveness of our supply chain. I am pleased to share that we have commenced local manufacturing, which we have outsourced, for the proprietary Shelafone and Curlon sleep solutions. Through a partnership with a UAE-based manufacturer, these initiatives are already helping us reduce fulfillment timelines and improve service levels. Alongside our physical expansion, we have strengthened our digital and e-commerce presence across platforms such as Amazon and Noon.com. And our own website, which is also in full operation in Middle East. We remain focused on developing the GCC region into a meaningful and sustainable market guided by prudent execution and long-term value creation. Turning over to Australia and Spain, I am pleased to share that both Australia and Spain businesses have delivered a marked improvement and a clear turnaround in their performance during the third quarter. EBITDA margins for both geographies were around 12% in Q3 and stood approximately 10% for the first nine months of the fiscal year. This improvement has been driven by disciplined execution across multiple levers. We have effectively leveraged our long-standing supply relationships in India, diversified sourcing from alternate and cost-efficient markets, and maintaining consistent oversight to keep fixed costs and operating overheads well controlled. In Australia, a focused effort on waste reduction has translated into tangible, operational, and financial gains. In Spain, improved pricing discipline and better sales realizations have supported the overall performance. Together, these outcomes reflect the commitment of our teams to build a resilient and sustainable international business. As I had shared with you in the previous quarter, that Furlenko had embarked on a plan to raise 125 crores of equity to support its next phase of growth. I am pleased to inform you that this initiative received a very encouraging response from the investor community. Sheila Foam also infused Rs. 30 crores alongside other esteemed investors. This confidence from new investors putting fresh monies reinforced our belief in Furlenko's long-term vision and strategy. This capital infusion would be sufficient to propel Furlenko to 500 to 550 crores top line. Currently, we are already moving at about a run rate of 400 crores per annum. I'm also happy to share that Furlenko continues to progress steadily on its growth journey. As on date, it is at an annualized revenue run rate of 400, which I just mentioned. For the first nine months of this fiscal, Furlenko delivered a path of rupees 18 crores and generated cash profits of 68 crores, which were reinvested for the growth of the business. Farlenko has built a strong, scalable online business model. However, in the Indian consumer landscape, an omni-channel approach integrating both online and offline touchpoints has proven to be the most effective routes to scale. Consumers typically begin their purchase journey online but prefer to visit physical stores to finalize decisions. As a result, leading digital first brands are now investing significant capital to establish offline presence. Ferlenko enjoys a distinct strategic advantage through access to Shelafoam's extensive retail network. Together, Shelafoam and Ferlenko have developed a structured program to establish Ferlenko's presence across a large number of Sleepwell and Curl-on stores. This partnership enables Furlenko to achieve a rapid capital-efficient and diversified offline expansion, significantly accelerating its omnichannel growth. We remain deeply committed to building a sustainable and scalable business and keep leveraging across functional spans. Staco, our technology and digital solution subsidiary, continues to grow and expand to It remains focused on platform consolidation, process automation, and data-led decision support for business. I am pleased to share that, till date, it has been empowering more than 3 lakh subscribers on their enterprise solution, Presence360. We see STACO as the key enabler of productivity gains and long-term value creation for the SHILA group. Turning to our ESG initiatives, sustainability remains a core pillar of our long-term strategy, and we continue to make steady progress against our selected sustainable development goals. We have operationalized a 500 kilowatt solar power plant at our Jabalpur facility and are in the process of installing an additional 1,000 kilowatts of renewable energy capacity across other locations. We have also commissioned a 30 kilowatt sewage treatment plant at Nandigram, reinforcing our commitment to responsible resource management. Equally important to us is our responsibility towards inclusive and sustainable social development. Our CSR efforts are anchored around two focus areas, emotional wellness and skill development. I am pleased to share that our skill development initiative has enabled and empowered nearly 64 percent of participating young men and women across various programs, helping them secure meaningful employment or start their own entrepreneurial ventures. In the area of emotional wellness, our digital-led initiatives have reached over 562 million individuals, complemented by approximately 250 on-ground workshops, engaging more than 14,000 participants. These efforts reflect our belief that a long-term value creation must go hand-in-hand with positive societal impact. I will now request our group CFO, Amit, to take you through our financial highlights. Over to you, Amit.

Thank you, sir. Thank you for your input on our business and strategy. Just to update on the financials, our volumes and profitability in Q3 and 9 months 26 are well on our anticipated growth trajectory with sustainable margins. On a consolidated basis, our revenue grew by 7% on a YOY basis from 2,590 crores to 2,771 crores, and on a standalone basis, our revenue saw a growth of 6% from 2,013 crores to 2,143 crores. As already appraised by Rahulji, our matrix volumes continue to grow by 11% for Q3 and 9 months. Our foam volume saw substantial growth of 20% in Q3 and 12% for the 9 months. Our consolidated core EBITDA continues to be in double digits at 10.9% for Q3, expanding by 220 basis points YOY, growing from 84 crores to 117 crores. For the nine-month ending December 25, core EBITDA stood at 10.6%. On a YOY basis, it grew 34% from 219 crores to 293 crores, resulting in margin expansion of around 213 basis points. Thank you. Following Carillon acquisition, our fixed asset based more than double, resulting in higher depreciation charge and consequently a lower reported FAT. However, this does not include, reflect the underlying cash generating strength of the business. To provide a clear picture, our consolidated cash FAT, which is defined as FAT plus depreciation plus non-cash taxes or deferred taxes, stood at 209 crores for the last nine months, Translating into a cash EPS of approximately Rs.19 per share. Additionally, interest costs are declining meaningfully as acquisition-related debt is being repaid, which will further support improvement of reported debt going forward. With the uptick in the raw material prices towards the end of the last quarter, along with price increases that we have taken in both mattress and foam segments, we expect additions to both revenue and profitability going forward. As part of asset monetization, we have recently sold the land parcel in Jagadiyah, Gujarat. Till date, we have been able to garner a total of around 100 to 125 crores from asset monetization, which has all gone to reduce our debt level. With this, I request the moderator to open the floor for question and answer.

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press star and one on a telephone keypad and wait for your turn to ask the question. If you would like to withdraw your request, you may do so by pressing star and one again. Participants are kindly requested to receive the two questions in the initial round. First question comes from Raghav Maheshwari from Kamathya Wealth Management. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for the opportunity. First of all, sir, congratulations on a great set of numbers. Sir, my first question is for the margin style. Are these margins sustainable going forward, and what drove this uptake in the margins when we look at year-on-year? Yes.

So we have been continuously improving margins for the last three quarters. As we had been discussing in our earlier calls also, the driver of these are two. One, improvement in our cost structure from the synergies that we had gained because of Carlon acquisition, and secondly, a growth in the top line. We have reached a 10% short of a margin, but our journey still continues, and we hope that not only retention, but we should be moving towards improving these margins in the quarters going ahead.

Okay, sir, sir. Thank you. And sir, next question is regarding the mattress segment, sir. I wanted to understand which mattress segment are you seeing the most of the growth coming in, like is it Karam or Aram or some other price segments?

So, it is coming both from the offline, which is, Carlon is growing a bit faster because the nature of the business is MBO-based, and also we have taken a drive on making showrooms for Carlon. So that has worked out well. And the second would be on the e-com side, where we have experienced good growth on the brand.com. So there our growth has been upwards of 50%. And the last but not the least would be the U2O, unorganized to organize. So there also we have experienced good growth. The accumulation of all this has resulted in the number growth.

Okay, perfect. I wanted to understand which price segment mattress is seeing the most traction as of now in the current demand landscape?

So our ASPs have gone up on the offline. So basically, we are focusing, there's a different approach for the EBOs where we are driving the ASP. So our ASPs have gone up both for steeple and curleon in offline. And so the numbers are going up on the higher side. And this is, the ASPs have gone up, and as far as the e-commerce is concerned, there also there is a premium valuation. Our ASPs in the e-commerce have also gone up, and have also gone up in U2O. So we are basically targeting a little higher premium in all these three segments.

So if I just add to what Professor has said, the offline segment, we are, the median value is around $14,000, $15,000. And on the online segment, it's more like 9,000, 10,000. And for the growth to happen, it will always be around the median numbers here. But the constant effort is to keep pushing that up, and that's what we will see in the coming times. You know, that 15 going to a 16, 17, and on the other side, the 9, 10 segment going to about 10, 11.

Okay, sir, that helps. And, sir, lastly, you mentioned about the rate increase happening in the, I think, last number 15K.

Raghav, you will have to speak. Raghav, it's not coming through clearly, just have to speak a little louder, please.

Yeah, so, sir, this is about the rate increase that you were talking about in the initial note. Sir, what sort of impact are we going to see in Q4 numbers because of this rate increase? I mean, can you put it in percentage? Like, how much percentage?

So, I mean, these price increases are not any phenomenal price increases. I generally take the inflation, which is a low number, and some raw material changes that come, but it's of the order of between 4% to 5%.

Okay, so, you know, there's no major impact on this, right?

Not really, no, no, no. And also, please appreciate that as far as mattresses are concerned, anything of the order of this 5% or something like that is not a determining factor for somebody who is buying a mattress here. You know, he looks at a range, he looks at a price point, and around that 100, 200 rupees here and there, that is not impactful. But we are mindful of this, that price should be not exorbitant. They should be within the price segment that you are looking at. And at the same time, we do account for the inflation that needs to be catered to.

Okay, sir. Those are my questions. All the best.

Thank you, sir. The next question comes from Ravi Purohi from Securities Investment Management Private Limited. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my question. And so now that, you know, the Curlan acquisition is done, and I think Rogers is also done, and we are seeing benefits. Can you just kind of, you know, share, you know, some thoughts on, you know, the combination of this Furlanco investment with Curlan and Sleepbell, all of this put together, how you kind of, you know, envisage our growth numbers over the next few years. And I think we had maintained or we had spoken about expansion in margins over the medium term. So do we kind of still stick to those ranges, about 13% to 15% EBITDA margin? So if you could just share some more insights. And also, you know, for Lanko, I think we have made further investments in the last one year. So what valuation have we invested in for Lanko? You know, what's our long-term kind of plan on for Lanko? Amit?

Yes. So, you are right. For spread on acquisition, we had talked to the investors, and we set ourselves a target of 15% growth with a 15% EBITDA margin, on which we have been sticking very strongly. That journey is currently underway. We are halfway towards it. Our target still remains the same, and now we see it with a little bit more clarity than what we did the last quarter or the quarters before. So the visibility is now better. Secondly, on the valuation of Furlanco, the recent issuance was done at a valuation of 1050 crores for the company, in which we participated to the extent of 30 crores, and the remaining 95 crores were brought in by new investors, which the company had got into the cap table.

So, Amitri, one more clarification. So, you know, in our P&L, we have this 180 crore annual amortization and depreciation, right? And I think we have mentioned in the previous calls that we don't need any further capex to invest. So, can you just kind of help us understand how much is the typical maintenance capex that we will need to kind of spend every year? So, this 180 crore depreciation and amortizing amount minus that maintenance cap is actually the cash that comes back to the business, right, in terms of helps and re-leveraging. So, if you could just quantify and, you know, help us understand how much is maintenance cap that we expect to spend every year over the next few years, you know, on the total.

Yeah. So, you are right. We have capacity post-Carlon coming into our fold. We have now capacity sufficient to take us to 2.5x of our current capacity, except for certain deep water-making capex, which we might need to do here and there. Some improvement capex, which we would always do, which has a payback period of 1.5 to 2 years, so there are always opportunities in the business, and thereafter the maintenance capex. So, with all these together, we anticipate around 100 odd crores capex in India and around 25 odd crores overseas. So, a total of 125 odd crores, including the efficiency and the de-bottlenecking capex. Maintenance capex should be around 30 to 40 percent of them.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. And, sir, I think we had mentioned in the last call that we had reduced our debt by about 400 odd crores in the first week of October. So, subsequent to the sale of this land in Gujarat, if you could just quantify how much has our debt dropped off between, let's say, September, on 30th September and till date, totally?

So, yes, we paid our debt by around 400 crores because there were 400 crores of cash investments lying in our balance sheet. We had raised more capital at the time of Carlon acquisition because it was an acquisition equivalent of our size, and we needed to keep cash on the balance sheet. But as Carlon stabilized, that cash was no more usable, and hence we used it to pay off the debt. So that's in the first week of October, which I mentioned in my last call. As regards your second question, so Jagadia, we recently sold, and we also sold two or three properties in Bangalore and around that area. Together, we have got a cash of around 100-125 crores, which has fully gone to pay our debt. Now, if you ask me what is the debt level today, I can tell you that the net debt level in India is less than 300 crores, and overseas is around 325 crores, so 325 to 350. So, the total net debt at a consolidated level should be somewhere between 600 to 650 crores, excluding lease capitalization.

Okay. Yes, sir. Congratulations on a good set of numbers and all the best for the future.

Thank you. Thank you, Purod.

Thank you, sir. The next question comes from Bhavan Rupani from Investec. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hi, sir. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Sir, now, given we don't have any major CAPEX plans in your term, any plans or thoughts to declare dividend?

Good question. And we just finished a board meeting yesterday. So I would say that definitely the whole process is being reviewed. And obviously, we'll take a final call as the year gets over. But I mean, I don't know how much I can say, but let's say our thoughts are very similar to yours. All right.

And given stock prices also corrected over past one year, would management ever look to buyback options? Any thoughts over here also would be really helpful.

Okay. We have not given any thought to it as of now. Currently, we were involved in improving the businesses and going forward, though that will be our focus area. But we will let you know whenever any of these type of intent is discussed in the company.

Amit, there was something in this budget also, no, about buyback options?

Yes, so buyback is now treated as capital gains. It's capital gains.

Okay. Sir, my next question is on Aram and Tarang. Can you please share a proportion of volume contribution which comes from this category for this quarter as well as last year's Q3?

I think Akeesh will take that. This is... But primary, let's stick...

We have given an indication of how much this category has grown and what is the total value of this category. Beyond that, we have not been sharing information as to volume numbers, not because we can't share, but primarily because it becomes a more detailed information And then let's do a very circular sort of discussion, which we don't want to get into. So my request would be that we will continue to communicate the growth in these two areas and the amount that these two categories bring to us as revenue. But as regards volume, my suggestion would be that we look at a consolidated total matrix volume.

All right. Fair point, sir. One more question on synergies, sir. Of the total 2.5 billion of synergies that we have been talking about post Carlon acquisition, you had indicated almost 2 billion is already in the numbers, and balance of 0.5 billion was to be reflected by people. So what's the status over here, and what are the incremental synergies still pending which can be reflected in future quarters going on?

So, you are right, and we are perfectly on track. 200 crores is what we had realized until the last quarter. In this quarter, we had not forecasted because the remaining synergy of around 30 to 40 crores was primarily on account of the introduction of the new material and the setting up of the machinery, which was already ordered from overseas. That machine is on way and almost on the phase of reaching our security, and we hope to install By the mid of this quarter. So you may see some results of that in the current quarter, but full results would be available in the first quarter of the next financial year. However, all this will be done, implemented, executed, and converted by the end of the current financial year.

Fair point. Sir, last question. So, you indicated our long-term vision is for 15% revenue growth, 15% EBITDA margins. But would you like to give any guidance for FY27 and FY28 on revenue and EBITDA margins?

So, as far as growth rate is concerned, we are continuously working to enhance our growth rate to 15%. Now, very difficult to commit the quarter on which it will be achieved, but we will try to achieve earlier than later. As far as the margins are concerned, as specified earlier, we would be reaching around 14-15% in financial year 28. But somewhere in between the current margins and 15% in the next year.

All right. Thank you so much, sir.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. The next question comes from Rahul Agarwal from IKJ Asset. Please go ahead. Yeah, hi.

Thank you so much, and very good evening to all of you. A few questions got answered, so just to clarify, firstly, on the growth outlook, I still see some gap on volume and value growth, you know, for the mattress business as well as for the foam business. Any comments on how does it converge going forward? You obviously talked about price hikes, but should we assume that largely volume is going to be equal to value growth going forward? You know, let's say next two years on foam and mattress separately.

So, as I mentioned, even if you see the average raw material price in 24-25 was higher than what we have seen in 25-26, around 15-20%. In matrix, we don't pass a lot. That almost gets absorbed, and that's why you see a parity between value and volume in the matrix segment. But in the foam segment, it has to be passed off to the ultimate consumer, whichever category it may be. So there is a disparity between the volume and the value growth in the foam segment. The current increase in prices to some extent will offset that disparity, but we are still a little bit lower than the average price of $24.25. So you may not see them exactly messing up, but if the price goes up further in the next two, three months, yes, it may. But in current prices, there would still be some gaps, though the gaps will be narrowed.

Just on the mattress side, I still see like a 7% value growth and 11% volume. So, what explains that gap if we are not, basically, we are not starting our selling price, but our raw material price is lower?

No, it's not on mattress. It is 7% value growth. Mattress is around 9% value growth and 11% volume growth, if I am correct.

Okay, so…

So, that is the primary gap, I was referring to. Yeah, so there is a 2% gap. See, one or two percent gap monitoring is very difficult because even in the mattress segment, if you see, there are mattresses which are sold across the segment, starting right from 4,000 rupees to 40,000, 60,000, 70,000 rupees. So it may happen at times that you sell a higher price mattress or a lower price mattress, which may create a percent or two disparity. And to some extent, because the growth of our U2 segment and the online segment was higher than the offline segment, that also impacts the value and volume growth. But empirically, if you see on a year-on-year basis or even on a quarter-on-quarter basis, you will find that there is not much of a difference between the two. Because on one side, there is a U2 and e-commerce segment, and on the other side, we are premiumizing our offline segment, even the e-com segment what Rahulji just mentioned. So the quantum of deterioration because of selling low-price segment is offset by the premiumization of the higher segment. So, 1 or 2 percent may be there, but you won't see a material difference between value and volume growth.

Got that, got that. And just in terms of overall consult revenue growth, right? I mean, 9 months, I believe, on a consolidated basis, we've grown about 7 percent. Is that correct, on value basis? Yes. Right. So I'm just thinking, when you guide for a 15% growth, you know, over a medium term, let's say three years, are we talking about the same number like to like, 7 to moving up to 15, or are we talking about anything else here?

Yeah, we are talking about 7 to moving up to 15. So based on past year growth, suppose this year we land at X, the next year we anticipate it to be 1.15X.

Okay. Okay. That clears. You know, the second question was on the cost side. I mean, a lot of line items in the P&L are flattening out on a YOY QOQ basis. You know, as you said, your margins also are expected to go up further from here on. And there's some bit of savings which are left to be, you know, benefited from starting from the new machines. But overall, how do you look at your cost items, you know, going into next two to three years? Will that reflect largely inflation growth going forward, or is the company investing more into, you know, marketing, advertisements, people, and, you know, that should also play out over the next two years?

Rahul, this is a function of what is the growth that you achieve. So, based on a 15% growth, I can say that in fixed costs, because in other costs, there are both fixed and variable, in fixed costs, it should be pure, pure inflation, plus, minus 1-2%. On a variable cost, it would not be fully proportional to the growth in revenue, but yes, it will be higher than inflation. So you would see a mixed sort of effect. For example, if top-line grows by 15%, you should see a 2-10% growth in the cost.

Get it. So there is still some bit of op-level is what we are thinking in terms of when the growth goes to 15, maybe we'll get that operating leverage benefit going into the next two years, right?

Yeah, so that will come one. But this is a very flexible sort of cost structure because we have marketing expenses here, which are totally flexible. If the growth is not achieved, we can always scale it back. So if the growth is, say, for example, which we don't even want to say now, the growth instead of 15%, say 10%, I think we should be able to retain our cost at around 6% to 7% growth. If you see our cost structure this year, you would not see any inflation except for that impact of a forex instrument. Our cost structure is more or less flat as compared to last year. So that flexibility our structure offers, that in case things don't turn out to be good, you can always scale them back.

Thank you, sir. The next question comes from Rishi Modi from RDM Advisory. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hi, am I audible?

Yes, please.

Yeah. So, Amit, the first question for you, we've gotten a 16 CR other income in this quarter. I remember last quarter you had guided that post the debt pay down, we'll have some 7-8 CR per quarter other income. So, is there anything which is non-recurring as a part of the 16 CR?

So, this 16 CR has different components. It's wasted sales. There are some investments which in the first week of October, there were some income from those investments. And then it is four or five heads are there. I would not see them as very volatile. This time it has been good, 15.66 crores. But yes, it should range somewhere. It should not be eight, nine crores. As I told last quarter, there are certain improvements that we have done to this. So it should be in the 10 to 12 crore range.

Okay, got it. So, we can pen down, say, 40 to 50 CR for the coming year, at least, on the other income piece. Minimum, you can do that. Got it. Got it. Second, on the raw material pricing and the subsequent price hike that we have taken, like, we've taken a 4% to 5% price hike, as Rahulji mentioned right now, and you're not seeing an impact on the volumes yet. But has the market as a collective taken these price hikes, say the New Age Players, Sleep Company, WakeFit, Deroflex, all of these guys, or it's us who has led this price hike and others have not followed?

So on the mattress offline side, most of the brands, including the regional players, have taken price hike. On the home side, which is much quicker, because there have been multiple price increases to offset the raw material increase. Online, the price increase has not happened so far. So, because online, we are operating at a similar level, and we are just waiting for some more visibility on the raw material before any action is taken. So right now, online is the only one where the price increase has not been passed on.

All right. And on the offline piece, the competitive intensity, given, you know, now one of the players is listed and the other one is coming to listing and they would want to show profitability. Has that kind of reduced, in your opinion, or like they're rationalizing pricing, or the competitive intensity still remains high on the discounting front?

So I think that there is no change as such that they have reduced the competitive activity. That is there. But I think it will, with some more time, it will play out. I'm assuming that we have also gone through that process that some discipline in terms of both top and bottom line does come in. So we are hoping that it will be more level playing field going forward.

Got it. And we haven't vacated any price points. Last time, I remember, we had vacated some price points which was exploited by competition. So our range still remains at almost every price point. Is that still the case? Yes.

Yes.

Okay. Got it. Tushar, I'm assuming you are leading the Cocoa Stores charge. So just if you could explain what are you all doing differently versus, say, a premium franchise-owned, franchise-operated store? Is this like a large experiential store, and then the order flows through through the franchisee, or the order comes directly to us? How are the unit economics looking for these Cocoa Stores?

So, this is Rahul answering that Tushar is not available at all. So, these Cocoa stores were actually inherited, you know, with the Carlon transaction, and there were almost about 40-50 of them, and then eventually closed down a few, and we are currently running 24 of them. The exact format of them is that they are a little bigger. They do sell mattresses, which are both Slipple and Kernon, and they also sell accessories, which are, should we call them as experience stores? Probably not. Should we call them as large EBOs? Probably not, because they also sell a sizable quantity of accessories. So I think this format is just evolving. We are going to address the issue, but at the moment, there is no crystal clarity on exactly how we want to do it. But they are profitable. They make a positive data, and they are lending a lot of information and a lot of experience, which as a company or as an organization, we are absorbing. So, I think you should see more clarity on this in another quarter or another couple of months' time.

Got it. Got it.

Thank you, sir. Participants are kindly requested to restrict with two questions in the initial round. And the next question comes from Pranav Doshi from RDCO Asset Management. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hi. Thank you for the opportunity, and congratulations on a good set of numbers. So, first of all, on the international business, I just wanted to ask that, let's say, in both Australia and Spain, are other expenses in absolute terms, they've remained almost exactly the same while the revenue has increased. So, let's say, going ahead, how do you look at the cost structure in these businesses, and, like, what kind of a leverage do you expect going ahead? So, is it a one-off or can this sustain going forward?

Thank you. So, you may see minor increases in overhead costs there.

Okay. So, then can we sustain the like 12, 12.5 odd percent EBITDA margin that we have done in this quarter, or is it at the higher end? Would you say so?

No, I would say that in overseas operations, like even if you see the nine-month average, it is around 10 odd percent. So, we anticipate it to be approximately 12 percent going forward.

Okay, okay, great. And just on our EBO strategy, so what would be the total number of EBOs that we are operating at as of Q3, FY26, as of the end of that?

So the total number, if I put both the brands together, Sequel and Carlon, that total number would be close to 3,800, out of which majority is in Sequel, about 2,900, and this I am talking about the showroom format, where we have a display, horizontal display, and Carlon is The total about 3800 is the showroom format. Then you also have category exclusive dealers in Sleepwell, which is a large number, which is 2500. But these are small format retail, which are dealing in multiple categories, like handroom shops and also keeping a mattress of Sleepwell. So, these are classified as EBOs who don't have a display as such. They just stack the mattresses vertically of our brand.

Right. So, my question was that let's say even for Q2 in the presentation, we had mentioned that we are operating 5,300 EBOs, and I think that is the number that you've touched upon even today. Okay, and even incrementally, let's say you were hoping to add 800 EBOs for the year, and now I think we are, you cut it down to 700. So, like, can you explain what is the strategy and why we cut down our target, and how are we looking at it?

So, we have, see, as far as the TPL is concerned, the, right now, the strategy is to expand the showroom format. So, both for TPL and for Carlon. So we have taken a target, like you rightly said, about 800, and we are hopeful of closing at 700. And these will be all different formats, a Shopee format and a World Gallery format. For Carlon, it will be Home and Corner. So this expansion is a key driver for growth, because even now our penetration in terms of number of outlets is still not there where we want to be. So, at least for the next three years, I see this drive to continue on expansion.

Okay.

The next question comes from Rishi Modi from RDM Advisory. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thank you for giving me the chance again. Raulji, if I remember correctly, you once mentioned that the Australia subsidiary of yours, Given it's kind of matured in growth and possibly on profitability, you were looking to exit or sell that business. Is that still in the plan, or are we seeing something else there?

Number one, things on ground keep changing all the time. And since it's not many companies that operate there, there are primarily three big people. One is us, the other is a main competitor, and the third is a little smaller one. And then we have some three, four other very, very, very small people. The ground reality is changing for sure. So the main competitor appears that he is wanting to exit. He had put up his business for sale about a year back, did not find any takers, and it's a bit of a complex business that he runs. And as I said, it is looking like that it's shrinking. So we are watching the situation. If it's getting us a lot more business, both in terms of volume as well as in value, we may want to. But at the same time, we have, I mean, are we close to the thought? Absolutely not. But this is a new angle to it or a new tangent to it, you know, which is there. So it gets profitable. It gets okay. It continues to grow. After all, we are heavily invested in there, in two big plants, which are there. So we'll wait and watch on that.

Okay, got it.

But it is possible that somebody may kind of come along and wants to invest in that business, you know, which may be a larger business than what we run. So we'll wait and watch that.

Thank you, sir. The next question comes from Viral Shah from Inam Holdings. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you for the opportunity, sir. So, just a clarification to one of the previous questions. You mentioned 15% revenue growth and 15% EBITDA margin. So, you mentioned this is on a consolidated basis, right? And not just the Sheela form and the Curlon branded business. So, just to clarify that.

This is India business. Only the business, yes. Because this is 80% of the business, so it may be instead of 15%, it is 14, 14 and a half on a consolidated basis because overseas business could also be at 10-12% sort of a level. But when we say 15-15, it is India business because overseas business can't grow at 15%.

Okay, but when you say India business, you include the rest of the part of the business also, which is the technical forms, intermediate grades, and all, furniture, positioning, everything. Exactly.

So, total, silapunk, plus cardon.

Okay, perfect, perfect. Okay, thank you for this clarification. So, second is on the TDI and polyol prices. Can you just guide what were the per kg prices in Q3, and how are they behaving currently?

So Q3 TDI was towards the end, it was at about $210,000, and currently also it is at the same level, but unfortunately one of the major suppliers to Indian market, GNFC, they had a shutdown. So, because of which, the prices in the market have shot up, because there is a supply gap which is there. So, currently, it is people who are getting imports or getting some from GNFC, that is still at about 210. Otherwise, the market price is today upwards of 240, but this is a temporary phenomenon. We are all hopeful that the plant will resume production by 20th of February, and then I think they should be against stability. Sure, sure.

And what will the polyol prices be?

Polyol is currently, again, towards the end of quarter three. It was around 118, 120 at report, and today it is about 123, 24. So that's the level it is operating today. Perfect. Great. Thank you so much.

Thank you, sir. The last question comes from Bhavan Rupani from Invested. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hi. Thanks for the chance again, sir. Sir, on foam core and technical foam, this segment has reported 27 and 20% volume growth in Q3. So how should one understand this? Can you throw some light over your reason behind SharpJump over here?

I think the market is, of course,

large and hand-growing. It's a highly competitive part of the industry. We have, let's say, I would say we have renewed or reviewed our focus on distribution and a few grades of form, et cetera, which have made this growth possible. But these possibilities will always kind of exist or may present as an opportunity to you. And that's part of it. But once this organization or reorganization has taken place, the growth should continue.

All right. That's it, sir. Thank you so much.

Thanks, Magan.

Thank you, sir. There are no further questions. Now I hand over the floor to Mr. Rahul for closing comments.

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