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Industrial CAPEX
2026
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9% | — | |
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R&D capitalisation
2026
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3% | — | |
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R&D capitalisation
current investment cycle (reaffirmed guidance)
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3% | — | |
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Adjusted EBITDA growth per year on average
Beyond 2026
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at least 15% | Non-GAAP |
Welcome to Exosyn's 2026 half-year results presentation. For the first part of the conference call, the participants will be in listen-only mode. During the questions and answers session, participants are able to ask questions by dialing pound key 5 on their telephone keypad. Now I will hand the conference over to Laurence Faxi, Head of Investor Relations, to begin today's call.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Exosense First RALP 2026 results presentation. I'm Laurence Faxier of IR at Exosense. I'm joined today by Jérôme Serizier, our CEO, and Queen Boydeme, our CFO. They will review our First RALP business performance and strong financial results and also present our outlook for the year. This presentation will be followed by a Q&A session, so you'll be able to ask your question. I will now hand over to Jérôme.
Thank you, Laurent. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. So, Exosense delivered another strong performance in the first half of 2026, as we combined sustained double-digit growth, further marginal expansion, robust cash generation, and the sound balance sheet. Let me start perhaps with four key messages. First, the revenues reached 253.1 million, an increase of 15.3% year-on-year, and 18.4% on a like-for-like basis. This growth was broad based across both segments, amplification revenue increased by 11.6%, including a 10% like for light growth, while detection imaging grew 24.3%, with a particularly strong like for light growth of 14.6%. Second, profitability reached a new record level. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 18.3% to 83.6 million, and the EBITDA margin expanded to 33%. This performance reflects the strength of our technology positions, but also a favorable product mix, higher volumes, and consistent operational execution across our industrial footprint. Third, we continue to invest for future growth while preserving a strong cash generation and some financial flexibility, so the free cash flow amounted to 31.4 million, despite the significant acceleration in our growth capex, and our leverage ratio is now 1.2 times adjusted EBITDA, to be compared with 1.3 times at the end of 2025. Fourth, and finally, based on the strong first-half performance and our current visibility, we now expect the guidance to be toward the upper end of our 2026 revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance ranges. I will come back to that at the end of the presentation. So let's review the main developments across our businesses. On the amplification market, amplification continues to deliver a strong execution supported by commercial momentum, technology leadership, and continued expansion of our industrial platform. On the commercial side, a major milestone was actually achieved during this first half of the year with the award of a contract linked to the U.S. Army, the Biden program. This is a program of record and it's key to validate our in-country industrial strategy that will also strengthen our long-term position in the United States. And as you know, the U.S. market represents about 45% of the global nitrogen market. We also continue to win business across the broad range of European markets and NATO countries as the sole sizeable, item-free supplier. On innovation, we are progressing with our augmented reality micro-display, which brings This technology is fully formed and fit compatible with existing goals. So it allows real-time technical information display while preserving the night performance, the core image quality, the identification performance that every single user continues to expect. In parallel, we completed the integration of NVLS, as you know, NVLS expands our addressable market in the high-end mount portable night vision, through particularly its wide field of view expertise. In the United States, we are preparing also the co-location of FOTD headquarters in Sturbridge, Massachusetts, alongside our already existing detection business and so alongside our emergency tube production facility being incepted. So this collocation, this U.S. hub, creates a more integrated U.S. organization, enables closer engagement with customers, and generates efficiencies through shared services for support functions. We continue to invest into our production capacity as we continue to witness the strengths of the customer demand. We, since 2020, we have successively and progressively implemented successive investment stages. Back in 2025, we announced to invest two capacity or two stages of expansion for a total of 37 million investment. And this program is now ongoing, both for the Europe and the United States. I remind you it's expected to increase image identifier production capacity by about 40% by the end of 2027, if we compare it to 2024. The first benefits of the European investments are expected in the second half of 2026, while the first deliveries of the U.S. facility are expected in each one 2027. At the same time, given the acceleration in global demand and the market opportunities we see, we are actively evaluating further staggered capacity additions. Beyond the current program to respond to this increasing demand. So, our approach in capacity... Increase remains disciplined. We invest in line with visibility on demand, while it's important that we preserve our industrial mastership, our product quality, our efficiency, and above all, our high yields, as they command our ability to serve our customers, and they command also our margins. More specifically on the U.S. facility, if I turn now to the rollout of our new Sturbridge production facility, it is progressive as planned. It's, as you can see, located to our existing U.S. scientific and photo defense operations. The key production equipment have been ordered. The project teams are on board. The first personnel have been trained or are being trained within our Europe's facilities. I remind you that the initial facility is expected to represent 10 to 15 percent of the total image intensifier capacity by end 2027. This facility provides us with a NITA-controlled production capability to serve the U.S. Department of Defense and law enforcement markets. It's a very important step, actually it's a strategic step, in accessing the U.S. market as the U.S. market requires local production for its forces. So we are committed to sell this market in the short, in the medium, in the long term with this establishment. Concerning detection and imaging, we delivered a significant acceleration in growth during the first half. Supported by a strong demand in defense and surveillance, continued commercial developments in our other verticals, and disciplined M&A execution. In defense and surveillance, we are expecting our customer base, sorry, we are expanding our customer base among leaning unmanned system OEMs, autonomous system developers, first-years OEMs, in all types of applications, be it surface, be it ground, be it head. We, during this half, we secured our largest order to date from a major European developer of autonomous air defense systems, which confirms the increasing role of advanced imaging in drone and counter drone and autonomous defense applications. In our commercial market, we achieved several new design in-wins in high-performance mass spectrometry, electron microscopy, semiconductor detector applications, which will in turn nurture growth in the coming years. We are also seeing, by the way, in nuclear, a strong commercial momentum, especially in the U.S., concerning small modular reactors. Our innovation pipelines remains active, and on the M&A side, we completed the integration of Phasix, so leader in wavefront sensing technology, and we completed the acquisition of Embryon, which adds a differentiated quantum dots, quantum dots with capability to our portfolio. I think we will turn back to, or come back to Embryon in our M&A section. Let me perhaps give a little bit more light on the defense and surveillance applications in detection imaging. This is definitely, for the time being, one of the most attractive areas of growth for ExoSense. We cover the whole spectrum from ultraviolet to visible light through near, short, mid, and long-wave infrared, which enables us to address a wide range of mission-critical applications. We have identified three particularly attractive application areas. platforms. With an expected mid-term growth of around 8%, surveillance with an expected growth of around 10%, driven by counter-drone applications, and last but not least, the drones themselves, where drone imaging represents a mid-term growth rate of about 17% per hour estimates. So, this market, they require increasingly capable multi-spectral solutions for detection, identification, tracking, targeting, and situational awareness. Exosense, as a group, is very well positioned because we combine a broad technology field-proven portfolio of technologies. We cover most usages with the ability to industrialize, to scale up, to deliver in quality, in quantity, reliable and high-performance products. It's this combination that puts us in a good position on this market. We wanted to also illustrate better our position. Our position is really in the value chain, is at the core of it. We operate in the critical sensing and imaging layers. We create data. We create information, we supply sensors and detectors that convert light or radiation, photonic radiation, into an electrical signal or into images, and so we provide mission-critical data that are needed by our OEMs to integrate, to make decisions, and to act at the system level. So our customers, they integrate these technologies into payloads, into gibles, into turrets, into sites, into complete mission systems, finally for the benefit of our end users. This is what allows us to partner with a broad range of OEMs with a common platform, common sensors, common devices. We can serve all OEMs in their different applications. And that allows us to remain focused on the areas where our technology and industrial know-how create the greatest value and with the right to the effort needed to master these technologies. Defense and surveillance is the fastest growing defense segment for the time being. We see strong momentum across platforms, across surveillance, and drone-related applications. And if I want to dig a little bit more into the detail there, on platforms... The European defence modernisation and the fast equipment pieces are driving the procurement of advanced electro-optical or optronic systems in all types of measures. We continue to strengthen our relationships with leading defence primes, with OEMs in absolutely all domains. Drones and counter-drones applications remain the fastest growing market. The demand for advanced imaging combat qualified and proven solutions continues to increase, and we are strengthening our position with leading OEL, but also with autonomous system providers, which are part of the new defense ecosystem. In surveillance, investment is increasing in border protection, but more importantly, in critical infrastructure and in counter drone capabilities. So this segment or this market requires particularly cool infrared solutions for long-range detection, tracking of drones, again, across all media, so that is air, land, and sea. So, we are seeing our technologies being increasingly selected by OEMs for these demanding applications. That has resulted in the need to expand our capacity, so this accelerating demand actually requires larger volumes of production at shorter time frames. And so for compact thermal imaging solution used in drone payloads and air defense systems, we are tripling our capacity by the end of 2026. And for cold infrared cameras, we are doubling this capacity over the same period. These investments have started already underway. They are partially implemented. They will continue throughout the year, and they are designed to support the strong growth while maintaining The product performance and the industrial mastership of the quality and the delivery ability that is expected by all our customers. Here again, we will continue to expand as the market demands, and as the market commands, we see capacity expansions as a way to follow the requirements of our customers, and we are doing so in a disciplined yet rigorous way. On commercial markets, The picture remains differentiated by vertical, but the long-term structural drivers are intact. In life sciences, if I start with that one, the market conditions remain soft in the U.S. scientific research and the microscopy. However, the mass spectroscopy inventory correction has ended. Which is allowing for a renewed increase in demand and a confirmed long trend towards higher performance analytical systems, which is perfectly well supported by our technical leadership, especially in the time of light programs. So that resulted in several design wins, not only in mass spectrometry, but also in electronic microscopy. And these key instruments, these design instruments will result in future growth when these instruments are launched starting in 2027 and more notably in 2028. In industrial control, the market conditions are gradually improving. The deployment of artificial intelligence infrastructure is supporting renewed investments in all areas, especially in semiconductors, in industrial automation, or in advanced manufacturing, and that creates for us a structural demand driving growth for machine vision applications and real-time process monitoring, which we are providing cameras to. Finally, In nuclear, we continue to see a strong momentum in the US Small Modular Reactors, the Department of Energy's Reactors Pilot Program that was launched last year, is creating studies and prototype demand, which is now starting to be followed by near-term pre-series orders, all of that resulting in strong growth for our activities. So the commercial opportunities we see are increasing. Obviously, this is driven by the new quick close to usage points, alternative sources of electric power that are required or heat energy even. So, over the long term, the growing electricity demand for AI centers, coupled with local production, seems to be a good outcome, let's say, for SMO markets, and so, as it saves basically the grid connection costs, and that seems to be fueling significantly the demand for SMO markets. So, we see this market as being... Growing at a fast pace for the coming years. So I will now hand over to Queenboy, having finished the overview of the market, and Queenboy will take you through the M&A strategy and our financial performance.
Thank you, Jérôme. As we said at the time of the IPO, our strategy combines strong organic growth with targeted bolton acquisitions. Our ambition is clear and is to become the leading consolidation platform in electro-optics, while we remain highly disciplined in how we deploy capital. So first, we target companies with technology assets that complement our own portfolio. So when developing a technology internally will take too long or involve significant execution risk, acquisitions allow us to accelerate innovation while reducing time to market. Second, we focus on companies that operate within our four core end markets, so defense and surveillance, life sciences, industrial control and nuclear, That expand our addressable market and strengthen our competitive positioning. Third, we prioritize businesses that have already reached industrial scale with proven customer relationships and leadership positions in their respective niches. That said, we also remain open to early stage companies when they offer strategically important technologies with strong long-term potential, which is typically the case of our latest acquisition ambarian that I will show you later. So what do we bring to these businesses? We provide global commercial platforms that accelerates market penetration, industrial excellence across manufacturing and supply chain, and a strong technology ecosystem supported by deep R&D capabilities and a robust IP portfolio. This creates value on multiple fronts, faster growth, broader market exposure, and a more diversified and resilient business model. Importantly, our acquisitions are not only growth-accretive, they also create value through operational synergies, margin expansion, and stronger cash generation. Ambarian is a good example of our acquisition strategy. It is an innovative company specializing in short-wave infrared imaging with operations in Finland and in the UK. This acquisition strengthens our position in SWEAR technologies, and it also opens up new opportunities in defense applications, especially for drones and portable imaging systems, while it also allows us to broaden our offering in industrial control and semiconductor inspection. Most importantly, Ambiren is exactly the type of company we're looking for. It offers differentiated technology that can grow faster by leveraging ExoSense's global commercial platform, industrial capabilities, and technology expertise. Now, let's have a look on how what Jérôme explained earlier, the market trends have translated into our financial performance for the first half of 2026. So we continue to deliver strong growth while also improving our margin. Revenue is up 15%, adding 33 million overall, so 18 million from amplification, driven by solid defense investment, but also excellent execution with our factories that now run at full capacity. 15 million of the growth is coming from detection and imaging. It's mainly driven by the drone and counter-drone markets, and also the addition of the newly acquired companies, Noxon and Phasics, and our adjusted gross margin also grew by 17% to 129.9 million euros. As a percentage of sales, adjusted gross margin improved from 50.8% to 51.3%, and that's up half a point compared to last year. This adds about 18 million in gross margin, with 11 million from amplification and 7 million from VNI. Now let's dive into the details on the next slide, by segment. Let's start first with amplification. Revenue grew by 11.6% or 10% on a like-for-like basis, as NVLA spend had a limited contribution during the first half. Their strong organic performance was driven by three factors, sustained market demand, good operational execution, and a favorable product mix. On the demand side, growth continues to be fueled by increasing deliveries of night vision goggles for land forces, which rely on our image intensifier tubes. The changing nature of modern warfare, and particularly in Ukraine, continues to reinforce the importance of night vision capabilities and is driving sustained demand from armed forces, and especially in Europe, with the threat of Russia. Operationally, we are currently running our European production sites at full capacity. Despite ongoing expansion works, we maintain very high production yields through continuous process improvements, optimized production scheduling, and good manufacturing execution. That finally results in limited scrap and rework. And finally, we continue to benefit from a favorable product mix with growing demand for our highest performance image intensifier tubes. As a result, amplification gross margin increased by 110 basis points year-on-year to a 52.5%, which is a record level for the business. Turning now to detection imaging. Revenue increased by 24.3%. That includes a 14.6% life-on-life growth that reflects both the contribution from the acquisitions that we completed in 2025 and the strong organic momentum. Organic growth was primarily driven by continued strength in defense and surveillance, and particularly imaging solutions for drone, counter-drone, and long-range surveillance applications, together with the sustained momentum in the nuclear instrumentations, as commented earlier by Jerome. These positive trends were Partly offset by the continued softness in US scientific research and life sciences, where our customers remain cautious with their investment spending. On profitability, our gross margin reached 48.1%. They are broadly stable compared to the full year of 2025, but it's 60 basis points lower than in the first half of last year, and it mainly the result of an unfavorable product mix. Due to the lower contribution from a higher-margin scientific research and life sciences activities. Moving to profitability, adjusted EBITDA increased by 18% to 83.6 million. The adjusted EBITDA margin reached 33%, an improvement of 84 basis points year-on-year, and it's a new record for the group. Adjusted EBIT increase by 19% to 71.8 million, with the margin expanding by 93 basis points to 28.4%, which is also a new record for the group. The principal drivers of this performance were operational excellence, the favorable product mix and amplification, and the benefits of volume and scale. So we continue to grow faster than our fixed cost base while maintaining discipline across the organization and investing selectively in the capabilities required for future growth. This performance flowed down to the net income, excluding the non-cash trademark impairment net profit from continuing operations increased by 21% year-on-year to 35.9 million. So there are two points I'd like to highlight here. The first, in our 2025 results, we still had 1.7 million loss from the microwave amplifiers business, which we devised, that divested at the end of 2025. This business is therefore no longer part of our continuing operations. Second, during the first half of 2026, we completed the transition to a single Exosense brand across the group. As Exosense has become increasingly recognized since the IPO, moving to a single brand provides customers and partners with a clearer and more consistent identity. As part of this transition, we recognize a non-cash trademark impairment of approximately 21 million euro on a net basis. Mainly related to the Fortonese brand. This accounting adjustment has no impact on the group's cash flow or underlying operating performance. So, I skipped the slide on R&D and Capex for the sake of time so that we have enough time for the Q&A. So, let's move directly to the free cash generation, slide 29. So, cash flow generation, we delivered a very solid performance in the first half. Free cash flow amounted to 31.4 million. This is broadly in line with the strong level that we achieved in 2025, despite a significant increase in growth investments. So higher EBITDA that you see was partly offset by increased working capital requirements, which is a natural consequence of delivering more than 15% revenue growth. That said, disciplined working capital management, especially on receivables, helped contain the increase. At the same time, growth capex almost doubled as we continue to invest in expanding our production capacity. Our capacity expansion program is progressing on schedule. Construction is underway in France, the Netherlands and the US to accommodate additional production equipment. In Europe, new machines have already been commissioned and qualified, with the first additional capacity expected to come on stream in the second half of 2026. And in the U.S., the new facilities remain on track to come on stream in mid-2027. Finally, our capex to sales, well, at the same time as we increase our capex for growth, our capex to sales ratio remains fully in line with our guidance of 9.2%. Let me conclude with our balance sheet. So at the time of the IPO, we significantly strengthened our financial profile with the refinancing of our debt as we secured a 250 million euro term loan fee and a 100 million euro of revolving credit facility, both maturing in 2029. In June, we further enhanced our financial flexibility by doubling the size of our SEF to 200 million, and we also secured a new facility with the European Investment Bank for a total amount of 140 million. So both facilities remain fully undrawn today. Our balance sheet remains very strong. Leverage decreased from 1.3 times at the end of 2025 to 1.2 times. At the end of June, where we maintained a solid cash position, with strong cash generation, a conservative leverage profile, and more than 340 million of undrawn committed financing, we are well positioned to fund both our organic growth ambitions and our golden disciplined acquisition strategy. With that, I'll hand over to Jerome, who will conclude today's presentation with our outlook for 2026 and the midterm.
Thank you, Kunbay. So based on the strong first half performance and the continued momentum we are seeing across our businesses and our end markets, we are now expecting both revenue and adjusted EBITDA to be towards the upper end of our guidance ranges for 2026. As a reminder, they were given as For revenue between 520 and 540 million euros, and for adjusted EBITDA between 168 and 178 million euros. As our capacity expansion programs continues to progress as planned in both Europe and the US, we also reaffirm our guidance for industrial capex of around 9% of sales. An early capitalization of about 3% of sales. Beyond 2026, our investment case remains unchanged and strong. We continue to target an average annual organic revenue growth of up to the mid-teens, while growing digestive EBITDA at more than 15% per year on average, supported by further margin expansion. At the end of our current investment cycle, we expect industrial capex to normalize to around 5% of sales, while maintaining R&D capitalization at about 3% of our sales. So, as a conclusion, we are very pleased with the performance delivered in the first half. We achieved another period of double-digit growth, further margin expansion, and a strong cash generation. While, of course, continuing to invest for the future. So... We also see the structural drivers supporting our business, be it in defense and surveillance, in life sciences, in industrial control, in NPR, remain firmly in place. And our balance sheet gives us the flexibility to continue investing in both organic growth in the form of hard capex, R&D, and working capital, and in targeted acquisitions. Overall, We remain very confident in our outlook for the second half of 2026 and in our further ability to continue to creating value over the coming years until the midterm. That concludes, I think, our presentation of the results and with that operator, I think we're ready to take any questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial pound key 6 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Alexander Petersee from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning, and thank you for taking my question. I just have two. The first one is on your potential further capacity increases. Could you help us understand, if you see today that demand is very strongly to the end of the decade, why wouldn't you decide on this further capacity increase today, or do you have more time? We need to complete first the current cycle of this 40% increase and only then start putting in place the next stage. That will be my first question. And the second one is on M&A. Can you give us an idea of the pipeline of opportunities you have right now? How many companies you're looking at and what kind of size of the targets are they effectively larger now that you have more firepower?
Okay, thank you, Alexana. So, for the capacity increase, as we stated, we constantly re-evaluate demand. We are in an active phase in really understanding what the demand is looking like, and the demand remains, continues to strengthen, so we will We will consider further capacity increase as soon as it practically demands, solidifies, and... We don't necessarily need to wait until the current capacity increases are implemented before making this decision. We didn't do that, by the way, in the past, but as you know, capacity increases take 18 to 24 months to be implemented. So, as a matter of fact, we are not going to wait the midterm before we decide to increase capacity further if the market and if the demand continues to strengthen earlier than that.
On the M&A, we don't change our strategy, which has always been to continuously screen the market and look for high-value technology assets. Most of the time, they are of dual use, so we don't really mind whether it's for defense or non-defense. They have to be positioned in the four core verticals where we operate. So in terms of pipeline, we constantly have seven to eight companies that we screen, which is the case today. Our pipeline is quite rich, but as you know, with M&A, it always takes time. And in terms of the size of our acquisitions, so we don't, so far, we've always looked for companies which typically had sales above 10 million euros. But as you saw with Ambarian, we also looked for assets which have long-term potential growth and differentiated technology, which is typically the case of Ambarian with the Counting Dots that would strengthen those rear portfolios. And now what we can afford as well is to look for acquisitions which can be a little bit larger, so 50 to 100 million euros of sales typically. And as you know, with M&A, it takes time, so we'll see.
Thank you very much, very clear.
The next question comes from Aurelien Sivignon from Otto BHF. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I have three. The first one on D&I, could you give us a bit more color on the defense and serious growth in H1, since I guess it's pretty much above the 15% like follow-up growth reported at a division level, and was it mainly driven by existing program wrapping up, or are you already starting to see some contributions from new platforms Then a follow-up maybe on the previous question regarding capacity increase. Can you just precise if you are looking at capacity additions in Europe, in the US, or in a new location? And the last one on NVLS, can you provide an update on the integration? And since the contribution was, I think, rather small in H1, should we expect deliveries under the Spanish program to start contributing more meaningfully, let's say, to renew from H1-1. Thank you.
Okay, so concerning detection imaging and the growth of the difference vertical in this market. We, the difference, the drones and counter drones applications are definitely the fastest growing applications in the defense imaging segment so far. So yes, it's higher than the average growth for the segment as the demand is there. And the typology of our customers is actually already quite Spread quite large with both tier 1s but also newcomers. Newcomers in the sense that there are recent companies that are participating to the drone and counter drone rally and that are belonging and starting to form the new defense ecosystem. So we have both of that. And as a matter of fact, the largest orders we are seeing and the most promising, let's say, All we are seeing are coming from new OEM platforms. As far as capacity increase is concerned, concerning D&I, We are really focusing on strengthening our supply chain, reducing our delivery times, securing our supply chain, and the capacity increase that we have is in Europe, as our production for detection engine is entirely in Europe. So this is, and that didn't prevent us from being successful in exporting to other countries that are outside of the continent, including North America. However, today it is in Europe. Should the market expand further and should the needs arise, we could consider one day to produce in different continents. But as of today, we are talking and doing expansion in our current facilities in Europe.
With regards to your question on NVLS, indeed in the first half had a limited contribution of NVLS, which we expect much higher in the second half.
Okay, thank you for the call.
As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Marie-Therese Grubner from Cantor Fitzgerald Europe. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two, if I may. Sorry, the first one pertains to... Assuming DNI is now growing faster, both organically and inorganically, considering the M&A pipeline, and considering the strength of the defense and surveillance subsegment in particular, I was wondering if you are considering moving to an adjusted EBITDA breakdown by divisions, not just the gross margin, but also the adjusted EBITDA sometime in the near future? That would be my first question.
And your second question, if we may take them both together.
Yes, of course. The second question, I mean, I noticed that there's one domain that is currently not addressed or seemingly not addressed by ExoSense, which is the space domain, and I can imagine that there are various applications that are possible for your competences in the space domain, and I was wondering if this is something that you are looking to address in the future as well.
Okay. And the first question about the DNI adjusted EBITDA by division. So what we said at the time of the IEP when this has not changed is that in our sites, the common resources are quite shared between the two divisions. So splitting between the two doesn't make really sense because it will be pure allocation. And this is the reason why at the time of the IEP we decided to split only at the gross margin level.
And actually, concerning the... Concerning space, this is definitely a domain that is not far from the verticals we are currently addressing. And as a matter of fact, our overall strategy is to self-invest in products that we sort of, that we are developing, to develop the best products for the different applications we target. And doing so, we are really, and actually we are doing, we are proposing these products to our customers with little customization. So when it comes to space, you have two sides to space. The traditional, let's say, space programs, more referred to one-offs and to program type of industry, which is not what we are going to do in principle, since, again, we are putting and developing our products for a wide range of applications. However, in the new space, the usage of off-the-shelf products is more widespread, but so far, we haven't, let's say, identified the right fit between the technology and the exact applications these companies or these constellations, let's say, were looking for. So, we continue to be present on the space market in the form of... Scientific missions, which are scarce and rare, but where we provide critical technology more on, let's say, technology that is already available to these space missions when it is about discovering the limits or, let's say, the envelopes or the physics in the universe. This is our space participation today. Should we find an application or applications of our products that are in our portfolios, we would have absolutely no problem in working in space, of course.
Okay, thank you very much for these clear answers.
The next question comes from Sriram Krishnan from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. Thank you for the opportunity. So I had just one question and probably two parts to that one. So with regards to the capacity expansion coming from the DNA division... Could you give us some idea about what's the kind of capex spend which is happening specifically on TNI, on the back of the doubling of production capacity announced this morning? That's part one. And in a related note, so you did reiterate that the counter-drone and the drone market I said to grow at 17% KG during the midterm. So do you think your capacity plans currently, whatever you have announced, is sufficient to capture that kind of a demand, or do you think that's also a moving target, so to speak, where you will continue to assist in the coming quarter, so to speak? Thank you.
Okay. So, concerning our capacity expansions in detection imaging, what is important to note is that the type of expansion is not of the same nature than in our amplification market. It's mainly about assembly expansion, which is much less capex intensive, but which requires much more coordination, management, program management to coordinate the whole supply chain with all of our suppliers. So it's more of a different nature. And so the capex intensity is embarked into or can be embarked in our normative capex. Thank you. That we target on the mid-term. Further capacity expansions as a result, and because it has been our policy and will remain our policy, they are decided based on demand. Today, we consider that the doubled and the tripling of our capacity in the drones and in the anti-drones and drones markets are serving the demand for the, let's say, the 12, 18 months to come. Should we see further expansion in demand, we would have no issue in deciding and investing more in the capacity expansion. But again, this is less a question of capex than a question of supply chain, in that case, in detection imaging. Thank you.
As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from David Perry from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Hi, I apologize. I've been on the Safran call, so I missed a lot of your calls. Sorry for that. And I apologize if you've already answered this. I'm just curious, what percent of D&I sales in H1 came from the defense end market, please?
I'm sorry, David, we couldn't hear very well your question. Could you repeat, please?
How much of the patent surveillance account for the DNI? Is that your question, David?
Yes, yes, please.
So, we usually don't report on a half-year basis because it's not representative of the full year. As you know, the phasing of the life sciences businesses is more towards the end of the year. So, if we would calculate, this would be higher than the one-third that we reported at the end of 2025, but this is not representative at all of what the full year would look like.
So, you still think about a third for the full year?
Yes.
Yes. All right. Thank you. I'll read the transcript and see what I missed. Thanks a lot.
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Yes, good morning, and thank you for taking my question. I just have two. The first one is on your potential further capacity increases. Could you help us understand, if you see today that demand is very strongly to the end of the decade, why wouldn't you decide on this further capacity increase today, or do you have…
Jérôme Serizier: Okay, thank you, Alexana. So, for the capacity increase, as we stated, we constantly re-evaluate demand. We are in an active phase in really understanding what the demand is looking like, and the demand remains, continues to strengthen, so we will We will…
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Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I have three. The first one on D&I, could you give us a bit more color on the defense and serious growth in H1, since I guess it's pretty much above the 15% like follow-up growth reported at a division level, and was it mainly driven by existing program wrapping up…
Jérôme Serizier: Okay, so concerning detection imaging and the growth of the difference vertical in this market. We, the difference, the drones and counter drones applications are definitely the fastest growing applications in the defense imaging segment so far. So yes, it's…
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Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two, if I may. Sorry, the first one pertains to... Assuming DNI is now growing faster, both organically and inorganically, considering the M&A pipeline, and considering the strength of the defense and surveillance subsegment in particular, I was wondering if…
Jérôme Serizier: And your second question, if we may take them both together.
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Hey, good morning. Thank you for the opportunity. So I had just one question and probably two parts to that one. So with regards to the capacity expansion coming from the DNA division... Could you give us some idea about what's the kind of capex spend which is happening specifically on TNI, on the back of the doubling…
Jérôme Serizier: Okay. So, concerning our capacity expansions in detection imaging, what is important to note is that the type of expansion is not of the same nature than in our amplification market. It's mainly about assembly expansion, which is much less capex intensive, but…
Hi, I apologize. I've been on the Safran call, so I missed a lot of your calls. Sorry for that. And I apologize if you've already answered this. I'm just curious, what percent of D&I sales in H1 came from the defense end market, please?
Jérôme Serizier: I'm sorry, David, we couldn't hear very well your question. Could you repeat, please?
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