Lincoln Educational Services Corp Q4 FY2024 Earnings Call

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q4 2024 Lincoln Educational Services earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To start your question, please press star one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Polyviou. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone. Before the market opened today, Lincoln Educational Services issued a news release reporting financial results and recent corporate developments for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2024. The release is available on the Investor Relations portion of the company's corporate website at www.lincolntech.edu. Joining us today on the call is Scott Shaw, President and CEO, and Brian Meyers, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded and is being broadcast live on the company's website. A replay of the call will be archived on the company's website. Statements made by Lincoln's management on today's call regarding the company's business that are not historical facts may be forward-looking statements as the term is identified in federal securities laws. The words may, will, expect, believe, anticipate, project, plan, intend, estimate, and continue, as well as similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements should not be read as a guarantee of future performance. The company cautions you that these statements reflect certain expectations about the company's future performance or events and are subject to a number of uncertainties, risks, and other influences, many of which are beyond the company's control and may influence the accuracy of the statements and projections upon which the forward-looking statements are based. Factors that may affect the company's results include, but are not limited to, the risks and uncertainties discussed in the risk factors section of the annual report on Form 10-K and the quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Forward-looking statements are based on the information available at the time those statements are made and management's good faith belief as of the time with respect to future events. All forward-looking statements are qualified in their entirety by this cautionary statement, and Lincoln undertakes no obligation to publicly revise or update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise after the date thereof. One other housekeeping matter: During the Q&A portion of the call today, we would appreciate if questions limit themselves to two questions and then requeue to ask any additional questions. In advance, we thank you for your cooperation. Now I'd like to call over Scott Shaw, President and CEO of Lincoln Educational Services. Scott, please go ahead.

Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our review of the exceptional year we had during 2024 and the very positive outlook we have for the year ahead. The operational and financial performance momentum that our organization has been building over the past several years continued throughout 2024, and for the full year, we achieved or exceeded all of our guidance metrics. At the same time, while we generated solid growth across the board, we continued to invest in our growth strategies. The past year's performance and our outlook for 2025 increased the team's confidence that we can achieve our objective of approximately $550 million in organically generated revenue and approximately $90 million adjusted EBITDA in 2027. During our fourth quarter, we grew revenue more than 16%. Student starts grew nearly 10%, while our end-of-the-quarter student population rose more than 14%. We generated strong increases in profitability and some $30 million in cash flow from operations. At the end of the year, our balance sheet showed nearly $60 million in cash and no debt. One of the critical factors driving Lincoln's strong financial performance is our focus on providing high-value training and skills development to our students and corporate partners. As a result of this focus, we are successfully meeting the consistently growing demand for educational alternatives to a traditional four-year college. As employers continue to seek solutions to closing their workforce skills gap, Lincoln's Lincoln 10.0 hybrid teaching model is a key component to the successful execution of our growth strategy. We are pleased to report we've completed implementation of the platform's first phase. For those of you that are new to the Lincoln Tech story, Lincoln 10.0 provides increased flexibility to our students who often need to balance work and life while earning their certificate or degree. We achieve this flexibility by combining hands-on learning at campus with a component of classroom work delivered through online instruction. The model enables our students to work part-time or manage other commitments while pursuing their Lincoln education and reduces the time needed to complete many of our curriculums, accelerating our graduates into their highly rewarding careers. It is helping a higher percentage of our students to graduate and is attractive to our corporate partners who remain growth-constrained by the lack of skilled employees. Importantly, the model is creating instructional efficiencies, space efficiencies, and increasing our organization's productivity. Lincoln 10.0 is playing a role in a student's decision to enroll with us and is contributing in a significant way to our student start growth. With the first phase completed, the model is now being used to teach approximately 65% of our student population. When we last talked with you, we discussed that we have laid out plans to expand Lincoln 10.0 to our nursing programs. We expect the second phase of Lincoln 10.0 to begin implementation during 2026. After nursing transitions to the Lincoln 10.0 model, and some smaller programs also transition, our goal is to have 95% of our students on Lincoln 10.0 by the end of 2027. Lincoln 10.0 is truly transformational for our students, instructors, and our entire organization and has enabled the successful execution of our key growth initiatives, which are focused on new campus development and program replication at existing campuses. During 2024, we opened the Eastpointe campus in Metropolitan Atlanta, the first new greenfield campus developed by Lincoln in over a decade. The campus, which is our second in greater Atlanta, has been a tremendous success and exceeded all of our internal objectives. During 2024, Eastpointe enrolled more than 700 students by the third quarter and was operating in the black. Eastpointe's performance has increased our confidence in our new campus development strategy, which is set to make major strides in 2025. Overall, three new Lincoln campuses will open in 2025. Our Levittown campus is a relocation of our Philadelphia facility and is expected to open during the third quarter. The Levittown campus will enable us to add three high in-demand programs that our previous facility space constrained us from doing. In Nashville, our relocated campus has already started a welding program with the remainder of the students moving over by the end of the first quarter. Then later in the year, we will launch the new electrical programs there. This new facility replaces a tired collection of outdated facilities with one new state-of-the-industry facility that has the look and feel of our very successful Eastpointe campus. The building has 100 welding booths, which is 40 more than they have today, the latest alignment racks and other equipment from Hunter, brand new environmentally friendly spray booths from GFS, elective training equipment, a Peterbilt training center, and much more. We also are rebranding this campus NADC, Nashville Auto Diesel College, in honor of its historic position as a leading career technical college that has served this country since World War I. Furthermore, we have recreated and updated the school's Hall of Fame room, which recognizes the hundreds of graduates who have moved into leadership positions throughout the automotive and diesel industry across the country. The campus sits on a hill along a major highway with a sweeping view of the Nashville skyline. I encourage any of our investors to visit this campus and see for yourself what an industry-leading career technical school looks like. Our third campus scheduled to open in late 2025 is in Houston, Texas, which is a new market for Lincoln and will be our second campus in Texas. As with Eastpointe, this campus will have automotive, HVAC, electrical, and welding. During the fourth quarter of 2024, we announced we entered into a lease to develop a new campus in Hicksville, New York, which is on Long Island. We expect this new campus will complement our very successful campus in Whitestone, Queens, just as our Eastpointe campus has benefited our Marietta, Georgia campus since its opening in March. We have a partnership with the Greater New York Automotive Dealers Association and know that there is consistent demand for technicians on Long Island. Through our electrical program added to the Whitestone campus several years ago, we also know there's strong demand for the skilled trades in this region. The plan is for the Hicksville campus to open in late 2026 and offer automotive, welding, HVAC, and electrical. In addition to new campus development, we are also strategically replicating and expanding successful high in-demand programs at our existing campuses. Our updated plan calls for adding twelve programs, five of which were launched in 2024, and seven more expected to be operational by the first half of 2025. As part of our program replication and new campus development effort, we are also constantly assessing the ability of our programs to develop the highest returns on investment for our students. As a result of this process, we decided to stop offering cosmetology, which resulted in the sale of our Euphoria campus in Las Vegas at the end of the fourth quarter. We're also exiting two culinary programs and a massage therapy program. Exiting these programs that deliver lower student return on investment often frees up facility space to implement our program replication strategy. For instance, at our Melrose Park campus, we are teaching out a collision program that had 80 students and using that space to add 80 more welding booths, an HVAC program, and our third Tesla program under our corporate partnership with them. As a result, the space that served only 80 students can now train upwards of three times as many students for careers with higher compensation and clearer career paths. Our constant reassessing of the students' return on investment as well as our real estate needs and uses is part of our plan to boost shareholder returns and achieve around 16% EBITDA on our revenue. On the corporate partnership front during 2024, we added, expanded, or renewed relationships with ten corporations. The interest from corporate America in Lincoln is as high as it's ever been, and the scope of services under our corporate partnerships continues to expand. An excellent example of this is the five-year workforce development agreement with Container Maintenance Corporation at their Charleston, South Carolina facility. And we're hoping that in 2025, we'll enter into new agreements structured somewhat similarly to this one with other companies. Our strong top-line growth, particularly with student starts, has resulted in higher expense spending. However, we continue to see progress in operating efficiencies from the implementation of Lincoln 10.0. During the fourth quarter, we continue to see declines in educational service as a percentage of revenue, and we are generating higher returns from our marketing investments. We continue to make progress with our efforts to enhance operating leverage across our system. The application of Lincoln 10.0 to our nursing programs should be a further contributor in the future. As we look ahead to 2025, we've had a very solid January and today provide guidance calling for continued solid growth as we layer on new campuses and new programs at existing campuses while continuing to drive efficiencies across our system. Brian will share with you shortly our guidance. With the new administration in Washington, we expect there will be a more level playing field among institutions providing educational services and skills training to individuals. At the same time, we believe resources will continue to be made available to students learning essential skills and training that enable us to live the life we have grown accustomed to. We have proven our commitment to providing only high ROI programs that benefit students, their families, and their communities, and our high graduation rate as well as graduate placement rate indicate we offer an excellent return on investment. During our last call with you in November, I noted the opportunities for Lincoln have never been greater. If anything, that is even more the case today, four months later in late February. Employers continue to struggle to find technicians, electricians, welders, and healthcare workers. And through our lead generation programs, we have seen record levels of interest in our curriculums. We see the need for what we do growing regardless of macroeconomic conditions or political agendas and have transformed our company into an exceptional provider of educational services meeting the needs of America's corporations as well as America's workforce. We continue to work to be a leading voice for middle skills learning in this country. We also have in place the financial resources to carry out our growth strategies, achieve our objectives, and generate increasing returns to our shareholders. Finally, I'd like to note, I'll be meeting with investors over the coming weeks at various locations around the country. Brian and I will be attending the annual Roth conference next week being held in Dana Point, California from March 16th to 18th. Additionally, I'll be in Boston and Montreal on March 19th and 20th for a Lake Street sponsored non-deal roadshow, and in Chicago and Milwaukee on March 24th and 25th, respectively, for a Barrington sponsored non-deal roadshow. I believe our story resonates with many different investment philosophies. So making time to meet and educate investors about the exciting developments, campus expansion, and enhanced valuation potential offered through our shares is an important goal of ours. Now I'll turn the call over to Brian Meyers so he can review some of our recent financial highlights and guidance. Brian?

Thank you, Scott, and good morning, everyone. As we reflect on 2024 financial and operational performance, we can confidently say it was a defining year for Lincoln. It was a year marked by strong financial results, the successful opening of our first greenfield campus in many years, and significant progress in our key growth and efficiency initiatives that are reshaping our path to profitable growth. In terms of full-year financial highlights, we exceeded our most recent guidance for both revenue and starts, achieved the high end of our guidance for adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income. I'll provide more details on our full-year performance, but first, I'll review the fourth quarter results. For the fourth quarter, total revenue grew by $16.9 million or 16.4% to $119.4 million, mainly driven by our average student population growth of 13.7% quarter over quarter. Other contributing factors include tuition increases and our new Eastpointe campus, which contributed $4.4 million to the top line during the quarter. We welcomed nearly 3,500 new students during Q4, representing start growth of 9.6% over last year. This solid growth marks nine consecutive quarters of start growth over the prior year. Operating expenses were $108.4 million, up from $93.6 million last year. This increase was largely due to our direct costs associated with servicing a larger student population and our expansion activities. However, as Scott mentioned, education service and facility expense as a percentage of revenue continue to decrease as we begin to realize operational efficiencies from our Lincoln 10.0 education initiative. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter increased 22%, reaching $19.2 million compared to $15.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2023. The quarter's adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.1%. Our income tax provision was $3.7 million or 35.3% of pretax income. This was slightly higher than our full-year tax rate of 32.8%. The increase is primarily due to a reconciliation of our actual 2023 tax returns, which included a state tax surcharge higher than initially anticipated. Lastly, for the quarter, our net income was $6.8 million or $0.22 per diluted share, and our adjusted net income was $9.5 million or $0.31 per diluted share, based on weighted average common shares outstanding of approximately 31.1 million. Shifting to the cash flow and balance sheet, as expected and consistent with our seasonality, the fourth quarter was our strongest cash-generating quarter. We generated cash flow from operations of approximately $30 million, up 38% from the prior year. During the quarter, we had capital expenditures of approximately $32 million, with about $25 million paid. This exceeded our 2024 CapEx projections due to the opportunities that arose to accelerate construction projects or campus locations under development. It is important to note that around 70% of our total CapEx spend is related to growth initiatives. The overage in the quarter is a timing difference, with shifting funds from 2025 to 2024. As a result, the total project cost for these projects remains unchanged. We ended the quarter with cash of nearly $60 million and total liquidity nearly $100 million with no debt outstanding. Moreover, we had positive net working capital of $21 million. Lastly, as previously announced, we completed the sale of our Euphoria campus in Las Vegas in January. Accordingly, the net assets of this campus were classified as held for sale on our balance sheet, and its operational results are reflected on the transitional segment at year-end. Next, I'll review our full-year results. We delivered $440.1 million in total revenue, reflecting a robust 16.4% year-over-year growth. This growth is a direct result of our continued strong demand for Lincoln's programs, with our 11.5% growth in our average student population driven by a 15.2% increase in student starts. We finished 2024 with approximately 1,900 more students than the prior year, positioning us for a strong start in 2025. We also delivered strong performance across adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income, both coming in the high end of our guidance range. For the full year, our adjusted EBITDA increased nearly 60%, reaching $42.3 million, up from $26.5 million in 2023. Also, for the full year, adjusted net income was $17.3 million, up $2.5 million or 70% over the prior year. One of the key drivers of our success in 2024 was our new Eastpointe campus performance. This campus exceeded our initial internal projection by approximately $6 million in revenue and $2 million in EBITDA. The strong opening performance and the rapid ramp-up to profitability highlight our solid return on investment and reinforce our confidence in our new campus strategy. As mentioned, Lincoln is making significant capital investments as part of its growth initiatives. For the full year, the company had capital expenditures of $64.1 million, of which $56.8 million were paid and reported on the cash flow statement. Like the quarter, 70% of the total capital expenditures in 2024 relate to growth initiatives. In addition to our new campus location, as Scott mentioned, we project to launch a total of twelve programs between 2024 and 2025, comprised of high in-demand program replications or expansions at existing campuses. On average, these programs are estimated to generate around $1 million in EBITDA three years between significantly to future profitability. In addition to these growth initiatives, we are continuing to analyze acquisition opportunities and evaluate new and adjacent markets to expand our campus footprint. As always, our goal is to identify strategic investments that offer the highest return on investments that are consistent with our mission of providing training for in-demand careers for our students. As we plan for long-term growth, we have taken prudent steps to enhance our financial flexibility. Even with our strong cash flow and $100 million of liquidity, for example, we are close to amending our credit agreement to increase our availability. Based on our strong performance in 2024 and our positive outlook for 2025, we remain confident in our ability to execute on our long-term growth strategy. We are well-positioned to achieve our target of $550 million in revenue and $90 million of adjusted EBITDA by 2027, reflecting our commitment to drive sustainable growth and create value for our shareholders. We are pleased to announce the following guidance ranges for 2025. Revenue: $480 million to $490 million. Adjusted EBITDA: $55 million to $60 million. Net income: $8 million to $13 million. Student start growth of 8% to 12%. Capital expenditures: $70 million to $75 million. As a reminder, our guidance excludes non-cash stock-based compensation and one-time nonrecurring items. Additionally, guidance excludes preopening costs as well as net operating losses for new campuses up to four quarters after the campus opens until the campus becomes profitable, whichever occurs first. For our relocated campuses, Nashville and Levittown, adjustments have been made to exclude preopening costs and relocation costs through the first quarter in which the relocation is completed. Also, in the case of program replications, adjustments are made to exclude net operating losses through the quarter in which the program is launched. These adjustments provide a clearer view of our underlying performance. I'd like to take a moment to share some additional color on our guidance. We project revenue growth to be approximately 10% at the guidance midpoint, with high single-digit growth in each quarter except Q3, expected to deliver our strongest growth in both mid-single digits. The increased revenue results from both our higher 2025 beginning population with almost 1,900 more students and our higher student starts during 2025, which are projected to increase 8% to 12% over 2024. Excluding the starts from our former Euphoria campus, we expect starts to follow our typical seasonality, with the exception of a class shift from Q2 to Q3 in 2025. Due to our new Lincoln 10.0 model, start dates can shift slightly year to year. In 2024, a start occurred in the last week of June, but in 2025, it will move to the first week of July. All other class starts remain comparable to 2024 within the same quarter. For reference, the June to July start is one of our largest starts, approximately 2,300 starts in the late June 2024 start, and we forecast a comparable number for the July 2025 start. Because of this shift, Q2 starts will decrease, but on a combined basis, Q2 and Q3 starts are projected to increase in the high single digits. It's important to note the timing change has minimal impact on overall revenue. We expect year-over-year revenue growth in all quarters. At the midpoint of our guidance, we project adjusted EBITDA to increase 30% to 36%, with around 30% increasing in the first half and stronger growth in the second half, at approximately 40%, with Q4 delivering the highest growth percentage. The higher growth rate for adjusted EBITDA compared to projected revenue growth reflects the operating leverage of our business model. Regarding capital expenditures, we are expecting a range between $70 million to $75 million for the year, with approximately 70% allocated to growth initiatives. Additionally, we plan to invest around $10 million in our ongoing efforts to upgrade our training equipment, ensuring that our students have access to the latest tools and technology. The remaining capital expenditures will be focused on enhancing our facilities and classrooms, thus improving the student experience. With regard to depreciation and amortization, we expect a significant increase in 2025, projecting an expense of $21.5 million compared to $12.4 million in 2024. This increase is primarily driven by our recent capital investments. In terms of the quarterly cadence of depreciation and amortization expense, we expect Q1 to account for approximately 20% of the total expenses, Q2 and Q3 to each represent about 25%, with the remaining 30% in Q4. For net interest expense, we expect an expense of approximately $2.5 million, reflecting an increase of around $2 million compared to last year. This increase is primarily due to a decline in interest income. We expect the total expense for the year to be fairly evenly distributed across the quarters, with a slight uptick in the latter half of the year. Our income tax provision is expected to be approximately 30% of pretax income for 2025. In Q1 and Q2, we project an offsetting tax benefit of around $50,000 to $100,000 due to discrete tax items related to the vesting of stock. We forecast our diluted weighted average common shares outstanding for 2025 to range from 31.1 to 31.4 million for the quarters and approximately 31.3 million for the year. Finally, we project net income growth to be approximately 6% at the midpoint. While this represents growth, it is important to highlight that net income growth is somewhat more restrained compared to our adjusted EBITDA growth. This is primarily due to an increase in depreciation expense resulting from our ongoing capital investments. However, as these initiatives are completed and operations ramp up, we expect net income growth to align more closely with our adjusted EBITDA growth. For the full year, we anticipate that the first three quarters will be comparable to the prior year, with growth in Q4 driving the overall improvement in 2025. As a side note, we project our adjusted net income growth to be approximately 13% at the midpoint. In conclusion, we are extremely pleased with our performance in 2024 and remain optimistic about the continued strength of our business heading into 2025. Our commitment to strategic growth, operational efficiencies, and creating value for both students and shareholders remain at the core of our mission. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our dedicated Lincoln team for their hard work and unwavering commitment to providing exceptional education and training to our students while driving shareholder value. Now I'll turn the call back over to the operator for questions.

Thank you. Hear the automated message advising your hand is raised. We also ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Please wait for your name and company to be announced before proceeding with your question. One moment for the first question. And our first question is coming from the line of Alex Paris of Barrington Research. Your line is open.

Thank you, Edna. Thanks, everyone, for allowing my questions. Congrats on the beat and guide above for the quarter. First of all, first question about new campuses and new programs. In your prepared comments, Scott, are there any changes to that plan versus Q3? It didn't sound like it to me. It sounded like Nashville was expected to be open in the first half. You're saying classes have already started with welding. Levittown, I think we previously thought it opened in Q3. Houston by year-end. So that's my first question. Any update?

Yeah. No. Everything is on track. Actually Nashville moved in a little bit faster than we thought, which is good news. As I said, welding's already moved over. Over the next couple weeks, the rest of the students will move over. It's been quite fun, frankly, to see their expressions as they go from, I'll say, a very tired facility into this brand-new facility. So that's been great. And then, yes, Levittown, I anticipate that same excitement because the students are going to go from a sixty-five-year-old facility into this brand-new facility. We anticipate that to be early Q3. So that'll be a positive experience. And Houston remains on track. We're still building that out. That should open in the last quarter. So everything is still status quo from what we told you last time, if not a little bit better.

Okay. And then a related and similar question on new programs. You did five last year. You expect to do seven this year. I added my notes that you were going to do four this year. Is that an increase, or were my notes in error?

Well, there's always some little fluctuation here. I don't know if your notes are in error or not, but the number that we just gave you is the right number. The welding expansion might have been the one you didn't have noted for 2024.

Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question will come from the line of Steven Frankel of Rosenblatt Securities. Your line is open.

Good morning. Congratulations. Clearly, with the new administration, we're in an environment where the regulatory burden is going to be eased, and that's great news for companies like Lincoln. My question is, what about the other potential impact, which is a lot of turmoil within the Department of Education? What are you hearing? What can you do if there are delays in things like approving Title IV funds, or expansions?

Yeah. It's a good question. I was in Washington a couple of weeks ago at a conference and heard a lot of people from the department as well as others speak to us directly. We're forming partnerships with individuals that have direct access into both the administration and the Department of Education. In those conversations, we've been talking about both aspects. First, we want this level playing field so that all schools are treated the same. That seems to be a mindset the new administration believes in and will be implementing, which I think will be helpful to us and to students across the board. At the same time, we're also having conversations with them about the basic function of what the department should be doing in the blocking and tackling. Just as we had our Title IV not turned on as readily as it should have been when we opened Eastpointe, we've been sharing those stories with the new administration and the folks going into the department. My feeling is that it's certainly not going to be as bad as it was; it's only going to get better for us over time.

Great. And then any mix changes in the skilled trades as you look at the incoming population and the pipeline? Are you seeing any peak in things like auto, diesel, and you did seem to hint about collision maybe not being as attractive as an area as it once was.

On the skilled trades side, it's been fairly consistent across the skilled trades. We're replicating more of those programs right now than other program types, so there's definitely more growth in that area for us because skilled trades take up less space than rolling out another automotive program. As far as auto and diesel, there still remains good organic growth there. Collision demand has softened; it takes up a lot of space. As I mentioned in my remarks, we decided to teach it out at our Melrose facility because we were seeing demand from other programs be much greater. We'll continue to manage collision and continue to look at our footprint and programs, assess what the market wants and needs, and make adjustments accordingly.

Thank you. One moment for the next question. Our next question will be coming from the line of Eric Martinuzzi of Lake Street. Your line is open.

Yeah. I wanted to refer to the strategic growth plan. The $550 million revenue number, does that include the new Hicksville campus?

It does. Right, Brian?

It does.

Okay. And when is that expected to come online? I think you said 2026.

Yeah. Fourth quarter of 2026. So right at the end of the year.

Gotcha. Okay. And then as far as the adjusted EBITDA margin that's also included in this strategic growth plan, targeting 16%. You just gave a guide for 2025. That's roughly 12%. Is it wrong to think of it as an incremental stair-step year by year between 2025 and 2027?

I think that's fair. We expect 2026 to ramp up a little quicker, and then it'll ramp up a bit more from 2026 to 2027. As these new programs start rolling out, they really add to our margin as well.

Thank you. One moment. And we do have a follow-up from the line of Alex Paris of Barrington. Your line is open.

Hey. Thanks for taking my follow-up. Just piggybacking on the recent question about skilled trades and change in mix. I was looking at the healthcare and other professions — starts and so on — and in the quarter, starts were down 17% where they were up 31% in transportation and skilled trades. What color can you give us on healthcare and other professions, which, again, starts down 17%, but average population was still up modestly about 2%?

Sure, Al. There are a number of moving pieces. One, we were exiting our cosmetology program, so there are no cosmetology starts in that segment, and that was declining. We were exiting culinary programs and the massage therapy program, and we also exited another small IT program to expand electrical. So there's noise in that healthcare and other section. On the nursing side, at Paramus, we weren't able to enroll students until we proved to the nursing board that our pass rates were above the benchmark, which we're now achieving. We just have to get approval from the board. We also had a delay in a nursing start from Q4 into Q1. So long story short, a lot of little moving pieces. As far as leads and interest, there's no let-up at all in the healthcare side. I would expect to see good growth in 2025.

Right. Piggybacking on that, if you look at programs that weren't being taught out — on the same program base for that segment — it would have been up for the year about 10%. If you take out the Paramus nursing start and the other programs Scott highlighted, starts would have been up about 10% for the year.

Gotcha. And then just a point of clarification, the Paramus test scores — are you saying they're where they need to be now? It's just a matter of waiting for the nursing board to approve new starts?

Yes. We've been tracking it quarter by quarter. By the end of the March quarter, we'll have four quarters where it's significantly above the benchmark. The challenge is the board doesn't necessarily look at it on a quarterly basis but on an annual basis. We'll be educating them and hopefully get them to look at us faster than typical. But to be transparent, we're not anticipating in our budget any starts in nursing in Paramus for all of 2025.

When does the nursing board gather to consider that? Is it end of year?

End of year is when they would normally look at it. But we're trending well above benchmark, so from a quality standpoint, that gives me comfort that we've corrected the situation and cleaned up the effects from COVID when many students' preparation suffered. We've now corrected that and provided the needed training. The pass rates are very solid.

So now, essentially, all seven campuses have NCLEX scores that are where they need to be?

Yes. Absolutely.

Good. Great to hear. Thank you very much. Congrats again.

And at this time, there are no more questions in the queue. I would like to go ahead and turn the call back over to Scott for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Lisa, and thank you all for joining us today and learning about our strong 2024 and continued momentum as we enter 2025. We've passed an inflection point in our country as more and more people are seeking a quick, cost-effective path to enter the workforce and develop skills that can serve them a lifetime. Interest in our programs continues to grow as we expand our footprint and graduates continue to achieve a high ROI for their investment. At the end of the day, we are a people-focused business, and our success would not be possible without the commitment and dedication of our faculty and staff who day in and day out engage with our students to motivate, educate, and inspire them to reach their potential. At Lincoln Tech, we know our success is directly linked to our student success. We will continue to share with the world that middle skills careers like the ones we offer lead to rewarding, productive, and fulfilling careers that our nation desperately needs. I'd like to thank our shareholders for their support and our entire team for their dedication to achieving our goals. I hope to see you during my time on the road visiting shareholders, employers, and policymakers. As I share the Lincoln Tech story, thank you all again, and have a great day.

This does conclude today's conference call. You may all disconnect.