DoorDash, Inc. (DASH) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Thank you for standing by. My name is Christina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the DoorDash Q4 2024 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, you could press star one again. Thank you. I'll now like to turn the call over to Wes Twig. Wes, the floor is now yours.

Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us for a Q4 2024 earnings call. I'm very pleased to be joined today by co-founder, chair, and CEO. We'll be making forward-looking statements during today's call, including without the performance, profitability, our guidance, stress, and the broader economic environment. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described. Many of these uncertainties are described in our SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Qs. You should not rely on our forward-looking statements as predictions of future events or performance. We disclaim any obligation to update any forward-looking statements except that during this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Information regarding our non-GAAP financial measures, including a reconciliation of such non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, may be found in our earnings release, which is available on our Investor Relations website at ir.doordash.com. These non-GAAP measures should be considered in addition to our GAAP results and are not intended to be a substitute for our GAAP results. Finally, this call is being audio webcasted on our Investor Relations website. An audio replay of the call will be available on our website shortly after the call ends. Operator, I'll pass it back to you and we can take our first question.

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And just a reminder, if anyone would like to ask a question, please press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad again that's star one to ask a question and your first question comes from the line of Ross Sandler from Barclays your line is open hey guys Tony thanks for the letter all with some great new interesting stats in there so I want to just start with some of these new kind of penetration stats so you're basically saying the funnel has like an 800 million person TAM and that your active shoppers are about 100 million and that these active shoppers order about 7 million times per day. So I guess the question is, what's the bigger opportunity to increase the 7% frequency or the 12 percent penetration and what does the most penetrated market look like for these stats like what's the the north star on either frequency or penetration which kind of move hand in hand thanks a lot hey ross um yeah i'll i'll start and you know feel free if you want to add anything robbie um you know i i think when i step back and look at uh the opportunity in front of us um i couldn't be more excited or bullish about both what we have been working on as well as what is to come

and I think in part it's because of what you're talking about which is the long runway in all of the areas where we've explored you know if you took our oldest area of exploration U.S. restaurants we I mean that would be you know the quote-unquote most penetrated in terms of our in terms of usage of our products. And, you know, we're still single-digit percentages of the U.S. restaurant industry sales. If you looked, you know, globally, that number would be even smaller. And then obviously, if you added in the retail categories or if you added in the first-party channels that we also support across every category, and then if you added, you know, the population, you know, point that you made, we are a speck of dust in terms of, you know, how penetrated we are. And I think, you know, the answer is really both, you know, in terms of penetration and frequency. On the penetration side, a lot of this has to do with, you know, getting into more geographies, launching more of the geographies that we currently serve, but don't yet have, you know, a perfect product, as well as making sure that we do a great job in terms of serving the cohorts that we already have. One of the things that we've learned over the years is that it's really hard to keep improving the product, but it's also what we're paid to do. This is what I spend most of my time on, which is making sure how do we add more selection, how do we make the product quality better in terms of accuracy, speed, reliability? How do we make it more affordable across the world? And how do we improve our customer support? And I just don't see an end in working each one of those vectors. That is even more true now as I think about some of the newer areas of exploration. I mean, when I think about grocery or retail, when I think about, you know, our commerce platform, I think all of these things are even in much stronger effect or much, you know, earlier days of exploration in terms of building a product that we are proud of and building a product that we believe will actually, you know, just change behavior. I mean, that's really ultimately what you're trying to do as you think about moving up the curve in both penetration and frequency.

And does that complete your question?

Yes, thank you. Okay, perfect.

Your next question comes from the line of Shweta Kajuria from Wolf Research. Your line is open.

Thanks a lot for taking my questions. Let me try two, please. Could you please talk about contribution profit margins, especially in your international markets, when we think about efficiency gains in logistics versus retention improvement versus versus frequency versus lowering costs per delivery. Where do you think there's greatest room for upside there as you think about the trajectory? And then second question is, just stepping back a little bit, what is, Tony, how do you think about 2025 and 2026? What are some of your goal posts for this year and how should we be thinking about it, especially as it relates to investments?

Thanks a lot. it's Ravi let me take the first one on the contribution margin rate I mean the theme for us is very consistent which is a we are not operating the business towards a specific margin percentage we always think about operating the business towards more EBITDA dollars more profit dollars and if you look at the theme that has been consistent for the last couple years we've continued to scale that business continue to increase the overall density that ultimately is driving the profitability that you're seeing in the business but more specifically when you think about our international business let me give you a couple of you know stats about you know what we're seeing in the business today the business is growing it's growing quite nicely they're growing substantially faster than tiers and when i think about it from a profitability perspective i've talked about it in the last couple of calls that the international portfolio is gross profit positive that continues to be the case 2024 is more compared to 2023 and i think about, you know, where the business could get to. Again, think about it, right? Like, we are still early in our journey. We're still very early in terms of penetration. We are not in all the cities that, you know, in all the countries that we operate in. Our goal is to continue to scale the business, which ultimately is going to drive efficiency, which will continue to lead to more gross profit in the system. And we are very pleased, you know, with the performance of the business so far.

Hey, Shrestha. Yeah, I'll add a little to the first question, and then I'll take your second one on, you know, the next couple of years. You know, I think one of the things that we've learned in building any of our businesses is that it really is the combined sum or cumulative compounding effect of a lot of small things. And so, you know, when you ask a question, whether it's about margin or top line or product improvements, I wish it was as simple as to say, oh, there's one area that has way more room to run than some other areas. what we've actually found is that there's room to run almost everywhere and when you think about how we've been able to both grow our top line as well as significantly improve our bottom line as well as increase the amount of reinvestment in building this business what you see is really the effect of having invested successfully in scale, having positive margins. And when you multiply those two things together, you just get increasing ability to reinvest. And now you just have to make really good investments, which comes to your second question around the next couple of years. The investment philosophy, when I think about the next couple of years, really hasn't changed. It continues to be, we only want to invest when we see great signs to do so. So, if it's an early stage product, it's generally signs of product market fit for each one of the audiences, making sure that we have a substantial improvement to what already exists in the market, and then having a hypothesis or a path towards monetization and building a strong cash generating business thereafter. And so, you know, that starts with each of the five areas that we've been exploring, our U.S. restaurants area, our business internationally, our business outside of restaurants, our commerce platform, and ads. And so that's really where the focal point continues to be. I think we have a lot of work to do, as I mentioned in an earlier question, in terms of just improving the product. So that's where most of the investment dollars will go. But we're also in search of future areas of exploration. You know, when I think of local commerce, I think there's lots of problems and I think lots of ways to help grow the GDP within cities. It doesn't mean that, you know, we invest in everything, but at the same time, you know, when I see that we have a long runway in our existing areas, I get as excited about the reinvestment into doubling down there as well as in search of new areas.

Thanks, Tony. Thanks, Robbie.

And your next question comes from the line of Deepak Mathian from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

Tony, maybe I'll ask an autonomous vehicle question for you. Obviously, the current car structure of AVs does not make delivery a primary use case, but in a world, in the next five to ten years, as personal vehicles sort of become increasingly autonomous and maybe can pick up food by themselves, how are you thinking about the potential opportunities and risks for dash? and how are you preparing for an AV world? And then second question, maybe for Ravi, can you give an update on Volt? What are you seeing in some of the fast-growing markets? Where does Volt stand with respect to the new verticals, product build-out and penetration in early 2025 in some of these key markets? Thank you very much.

I'll start on autonomy, Deepak. Autonomy, I think, is super exciting. I think it's one of the two big megatrends that's happening right now in technology. the obvious other one is what's happening in the world of LLMs. And, you know, I think autonomy has come a long way. I think a lot of us certainly working in the field probably either hoped for or expected this to have come sooner, but I think you're seeing just a lot of exciting, you know, existence proof points of what's to come. You're right to say that, you know, a lot of people are still trying to figure out the total cost of operations. And the way I think about this is, you know, first and foremost, I would articulate that the problem for autonomous delivery is actually quite different from the problem for robo-taxis. Obviously, in the case of robo-taxis, you have the passenger who can solve the first and last 10 feet problem where they can enter and exit the vehicle, you know, for the vehicle, so to speak. That is quite helpful in solving that problem obviously with you know passengers you're going to have to travel farther there you know there's life at risk and so you're going to need you know more expensive hardware you're going to have to travel farther distances and you're going to have to carry you know more capacity that's you know very different when you're talking about some of the items deliveries that you know we partake in it's an area of exploration that we've now studied for years and and have worked on we don't have anything to announce at the moment but we're quite excited about all of the challenges we do think the problem statement is quite different and i think that it's as important to both build technology that addresses the specific use cases within delivery as well as understand how the technology and operations must be married in order to achieve the cost profile that you're um you know asking about in your questions such that it makes sense for everybody.

Hey, Deepak, on your second point on VOLT. Look, I mean, the international business overall, including VOLT, had a very strong quarter, as well as, in fact, 2024 has been a very strong year. You know, I mentioned on an earlier question that Shweta talked about, which is we're growing faster than peers. In fact, we're growing substantially faster. We're gaining share in virtually, you know, every country that we operate in. I look at the entire portfolio. I mean, users are growing. We reached an all-time high in terms of our international MAUs as well as the order frequency continues to grow. That's a combination of us trying to improve the selection, trying to improve quality, as well as continuing to drive affordability. Volt Plus, we launched that roughly about two years ago. That business is growing, it's scaling quite nicely. When I look at the slope of that curve compared to DashPass in its early years, it's growing faster than DashPass. And the portfolio of category expansion is also continuing to grow quite nicely. There are several countries where new verticals and grocery penetration in the international portfolio is actually higher than what we're seeing in the US. So overall, when I look at the business, I mean, it's strong growth. The unit economics have improved. We're really pleased with the performance of the business, both Q4 as well as full year 2024.

Great. Thank you both.

And your next question comes from the line of Michael Morton from Moffat-Nathanson. Please state, I'm sorry, please state your question.

Hi there. Thanks for the question. One for Tony and then one for Ravi. Ravi, in the prior 10Q, you called out international markets utilizing NOLs for the first time. I was wondering if you could talk a bit more maybe about some of the markets that are seeing this inflection in profitability. And then how far some other international markets could be behind those ones utilizing the NOL. So just curious on the curve there. And then for Tony, there's a lot of companies rolling out agents and assistants. It's no secret. And when it comes to e-commerce, there's a thought that as you could be changing the traditional search funnel, it's an opportunity to integrate local inventory more seamless into the consumer shopping experience. So, would love to hear how you're thinking about this opportunity and exploring potential partnerships in providing the infrastructure for these model and, I would say, upcoming search operators. Thanks, guys.

Yeah, Michael, I think the first one, I mean, you know, when we think about international, right, I mean, I'm thinking about the overall portfolio as a whole. As we think about that, right, like there's the overall portfolio is gross profit positive. I talked about earlier that there's countries in there which are contribution margin positive from a poor restaurant's perspective. The portfolio looks, you know, similar to what we've done in the U.S., right? There's countries where we feel very good about the contribution margin. They're approaching, you know, levels that, you know, we're very positive about. We're using some of those profits to continue to invest, you know, behind some of the other markets. And if your question specifically is around tax, I would expect that to be somewhat volatile as we think about the rest of the year, just given the level of profitability that we have in the international markets. We don't expect to be major taxpayers this year.

Hey, Michael. On the second question around AI agents, I mean, I definitely agree with the premise that there's going to be a lot of AI agents working on our behalf and doing multiple tasks and jobs. The way I kind of see this for DoorDash is, you know, really two things. I think one is, you know, we have to first and foremost make sure that we master the physical world, right? That's an area where LLMs and AI agents don't necessarily play a significant of a role. They're an interface in some ways to the physical world, but they certainly don't solve the tasks in the physical world, such as providing the logistics infrastructure, understanding how to do it at the highest quality the lowest cost with the greatest accuracy so that's like you know for job number one is make sure that you know we perfect that job number two is to make sure that we take advantage of these technologies especially as the costs continue to scale down quite quickly as you see the prevalence of open source models that we can make the greatest use of this technology with all of the data that we have, you know, with billions of orders and, you know, over 100 million customers every year and the graph that we've built, you know, both for food and items at a local level, I think there's great opportunity for much better personalization. I think that there's much better opportunity to, you know, virtually improve every part of our operations with loms both uh via the use of agents as well as in other ways um with loms and so i i and and then you know obviously to state the obvious um with a program as exciting and as penetrating as dash pass i think that that will be another way in which we add great value in addition to the improved personalization um as you think about how these technologies interface But I think there's two different jobs. I think job number one is we have to make sure that we continue to master the physical world. And then job number two is that we have to take advantage of the assets that we bring to bear and then make use of the technology, especially, you know, something as quickly changing as LLMs so that we can offer customers the best experience.

Thanks so much, guys.

Your next question comes from the line of Bernie McTernan from Needham & Company. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. just want to touch on bookings um so the acceleration 4q bookings just wanted to know you know what made 4q so strong any trends to point to whether it's restaurant or non-restaurant and then on the guide thoughts on the deceleration 1q i think there's probably some headwinds with you know in 1q is like leap year california fires fx um but just wanted to see kind of maybe core versus non-core as well um anything underlying going on thank you everybody uh i'll take uh both of these, right?

I mean, look, I mean, Q4 was a strong last quarter for us. We are very pleased with the performance of the business. You know, what we're seeing in the business, right? I mean, if you just pull back and look at 2024, restaurants, you know, continues to grow at a very nice pace, growing double digits. And more importantly, what we saw in the year was stable and as well as consistent growth throughout the quarters, both new verticals as well as international growing much faster than the restaurant business. We talked about the fact that you know we have over 42 million monthly active users that number is growing at a double digit rate order frequency continues to be at an all-time high dash pass had a strong year as well right if you put all of this together that's what's driving the growth that you're seeing you know in q4 you know as we talk about you know q1 i mean look you know we're really pleased with the performance of the business you know we're happy with you know where the business is trending as well as the guidance that we have given as you think about sort of like the comp right i mean And through one of last year, there was an extra day. There's also some impact from FX, which is roughly about 1% on a year-over-year growth basis. But our business continues to do well. We continue to be overall very pleased with the performance of the business. And more importantly, as I look at the rest of the year, I'm very confident with the outlook for the full year as well.

Great. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Nikhil Devani from Bernstein. Your line is open.

Hi there. Thanks for taking my question. I have two on U.S. new verticals, please. So first, how much repeat buying behavior do you see with these newer categories? And I appreciate that aggregate cohort level metrics are probably more important, but it would be helpful to understand if you see repeat engagement or if demand is more episodic in nature. And then second, the letter talks about continued progress towards strong profitability in U.S. new verticals. So how should we think about the scale that you need to get there? And when you think long-term about what that eventual operating profit per order looks like, how does that compare in your minds to restaurant delivery? I'm sure it varies a lot by category, but any commentary you can provide there would be helpful.

I mean, Nikhil, I'll take both of you, right? I mean, if you think about new verticals, right, very strong year, actually. I mean, we are the fastest growing in the U.S. We've gained share in new verticals through the year. What you're seeing in the behavior is consumers are continuing to utilize new verticals. They're ordering from all categories. And one of the pieces that we had very early on was mouse that order from both restaurants as well as new verticals. They continue to increase their engagement on the overall platform. That's showing up very nicely in the early data. And I think both things, right? The number of mouse that use new verticals is growing. The order frequency is growing. And more importantly, they're spending more with us on a monthly basis. the overall spend per mile per month, that continues to go up. It just goes to show you that the selection that we've added, the quality of the product, all of that is, you know, is something that consumers love and we're continuing to focus on that. And your, you know, second question around profitability, I mean, a couple of things really, right? When we think about profitability, we're thinking about overall dollars that are flowing through the system. You're not thinking about it on a, you know, margin percentage basis. That continues to be the case for new verticals. When I look at the progress that we've made, I mean, 24 was a quarter year. The unit economics have improved in 24 compared to 23. I feel very good about where we are. What we're focused on right now is scale, because I think we have an opportunity to build a very large business here. I mean, look, ultimately the goal is to drive overall free cash flow dollars higher in the system. That grocery, as well as new verticals, is going to be a great area of growth, as well as overall profit dollar driver for us as we think about over the next several years.

Thanks, Ravi.

And your next question comes from the line of Eric Sheridan from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Thanks so much for taking the question. Maybe building on the last question, I just want to go a little bit deeper in the state of the grocery side of the business. What were the key learnings of the last year that unlocked elements of either user growth, frequency, or supply? And when you think about the array of supply or frequency looking out over 2025 that isn't in your ecosystem, What do you see as some of the key investments to potentially unlock that potential, and how does that inform against your strategic priorities? Thanks so much.

Eric, it's Tony. I can take this one. I mean, I guess in short, a lot of this is just making a lot of product improvements. You know, I think that the state of play of where grocery delivery is in the U.S. or globally is still quite nascent. I mean, if you look at the penetration levels of where it is compared to other categories of e-commerce and delivery, it is still quite lagging. And I think there's several reasons. But, you know, the short version of this is that, you know, customers today are asked to pay a premium, but they don't always receive the items that they order. That's not a great proposition. And so there's a lot of work that we're just doing to improve each one of these vectors, you know. And everything from adding more SKUs to our catalog, understanding exactly where items are and how we make sure that we deliver with perfect accuracy, making sure that we can increase the affordability of the products, making sure that we are matching the right type of dashers who want to do grocery deliveries with actual grocery orders. working together with grocers and other retail partners to make sure that all of this ecosystem is set up for perfect delivery quality. There's just a lot of different small things. I mean, if you looked at the list, it would probably be like a project list of like hundreds or something like this. So there isn't any one thing. I think the key learning is that, you know, it would be one, that there still remains a lot of product improvement left. We're really satisfied with what we've done in 24 and in the years prior, but there's a long way to go. Two, customers who started by building a relationship with us in grocery of buying small top-up orders for the middle of the week run are now buying larger baskets, and we're now serving all of their use cases. This is kind of the point, Rob, you made to an earlier question about how the spend is growing for each recurring customer. And three, this I think dabbles a bit to another part of your question, which is that more and more grocers see that the business that we bring and the customers that we bring is very incremental to what they see through their own channels as well as with other partners. And so I think all of these things have been very strong indicators that we're on the right path, but as I mentioned, I think kind of the main one still, you know, in terms of our focus is we just have to keep working on the product. We feel, again, really good about the progress we've made, but we still feel like we're super early in terms of what grocery delivery should look like. Great. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Helstein from Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Thanks. If I could ask two questions. Just um general thoughts on DashPass appreciate you sharing the growth rate and the numbers um just I guess how do you think about the growth from here and any catalyst to potentially accelerate the growth and then second um I think the math on GOV for MAU was up six percent in 24 I think it was eight percent in 23 if our math is right just maybe talk about the factors that would be impacting this, whether U.S., non-U.S., restaurant, non-restaurant. Thank you.

Maybe I'll start with the first one on DashPass, and Robbie, you can take the second one. So with respect to DashPass, I think it's a pretty straightforward playbook. I think to start, we have over 100 million customers who order with us annually, but when you look at DashPass and Volt Plus, we're only in the tens of millions, right? And so we have a large fraction of our customer base within our own ecosystem that are not subscribers so that's the first thing we have to go and solve I think before trying to solve other problems and so okay how do we solve that well I think it's really by making the product better and making it you know more obvious why joining as a subscriber is better than not joining as a subscriber but you know so all of the all of the commentary I've made earlier about improving the selection making sure that there are more exclusive benefits for subscribers, making sure that the quality is perfect, making sure that customer support is improving. All of these things are going to help the ecosystem want to be more frequent users of our service. And when someone is a greater frequency user of our service, then they actually, I think, would be more willing to consider a membership program. And so that's where the focus really is. I don't think that we have to do anything unnatural to see growth in our subscriber programs. We feel really good about where we're at, and we just have to keep going.

Hey, Jason, to your second point, I mean, you know, I appreciate the math that you're trying to do, but looking at the blended number is not really indicative of, you know, sort of like, what are you seeing from an underlying trends perspective, right? For us, when we think about this business, it's a cohorted business. We're still acquiring new users at a pretty healthy clip and usually what you see in the business is when new users join they have a lower order frequency before they graduate on to ordering you know more on the platform the real way to think about it is looking at it on a quoted basis and look at the underlying cohorts right that is retention which is you know doing really well retention continues to improve but it's order frequency that continues to improve and the second dimension you should look at is look at the various different lines of business when i look at the restaurant business i mean the growth is strong users are still continuing to grow they're ordering more with us uh number two even on new verticals to an earlier question right like i talked about the fact that users are growing as well as their order frequency continues to grow the second thing i would look at is truly to look at the health of the business you look at the older cohorts the older cohorts continue to be very strong and they continue to increase their engagement as well as order frequency over time and that just tells me that you know the underlying cohort strength is strong both for new as well as the existing cohorts.

And does that complete your question?

Yeah, thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Goralski from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Thank you very much, too, if I may, please. First, on advertising, you listed as the fifth area where you can build a great business. Could you speak, please, to the roadmap for the next 12 to 24 months? Do you feel you have the advertising product and the overall product experience ready to aggressively scale ads? And then the second question is more on Dasher supply. Could you just talk about one bigger picture, how you see the Dasher supply environment and how you think it may evolve throughout the year? And then secondarily there, are you seeing a segmentation of kind of use cases we're seeing and reading about Instacart and Uber beginning to differentiate between delivery, in-store, and kind of pick-and-pack? Thank you very much.

I can start. I mean, I think there were, I think, a few questions in there. I think the first question was around ads. I mean, ads had a great year. I mean, in terms of, you know, what we worked on, I mean, it's always two sets of products, one set of products for consumers and one set of products for advertisers, right? And it's because when you build advertising, you're constantly trying to solve the set of simultaneous equations where you're balancing how do you achieve the highest return on ad spend for the advertisers, and then the least amount of degradation, ideally no degradation for consumers. And so I think there's a distinction between what you're saying, which is like, you know, there's an assumption you made in your question that you would aggressively scale if you're ready to scale. And I would challenge that by saying, you know, it's important to make sure that an advertising business follows a healthy marketplace and that an advertising business in and of itself is quite a short term pursuit. And so the way we think about it is, well, we got to keep making sure that our ads are more and more relevant. We have to make sure that there are more and more units so that, you know, they can solve different types of problems for advertisers. But we also have to make sure that, you know, standard things like reporting and other kinds of tools of integrating, you know, other platform partners that I think advertisers are accustomed to seeing or working with. I think these are all kind of like par for the course, but I think the most important thing of getting the product right is making sure that we can balance, you know, the needs of the advertiser with the needs of the consumer. Because, again, you know, the way I think about this is that a healthy marketplace is, you know, always precedes and trumps, you know, an advertising business. You know, with respect to Dasher Supply, Dasher Supply looks really good. We've had, you know, very strong supply on the road. Obviously, there has been some challenging circumstances with weather in different parts of the world, as well as, unfortunately, different natural disasters that have also occurred. But outside of those anomalies, Dasher supply continues to look really, really healthy. And I'm sorry, what was your last question about it? yeah i was just talking about differentiating supply versus core delivery versus so what we're seeing some more differentiation versus the pick and pack and and kind of the in-store versus delivery i got it okay i got it yeah yeah okay uh that's helpful i didn't know the two were connected um so we do see different preferences for uh different dashers and couriers around the world. One of the benefits of starting with the highest frequency delivery of restaurant food, as well as just the breadth of coverage that we offer where, you know, there's a lot more restaurants than there are other types of stores out there. We effectively have dashers everywhere and we have, you know, the largest, you know, fleet out there. And so a lot of this is just self-selection. That's kind of what we see. And it's a learning journey. Some dashers prefer one type of delivery one week, but then they'll try another type of delivery and they may actually add to their preferences. So it's just something that we kind of continue to work on and continue to learn the different preferences. I think the most important thing is to remember the flexibility of the network where the number one feature is that you have, you know, 90% of dashers driving fewer than 10 hours a week. And so in some ways, what we're trying to do is we're trying to construct the maximum flexible set of opportunities for dashers. And so as we add more categories, as we add more different types of tasks into our network, that should help in that direction.

And your next question comes from the line of Yusef Squally from Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Awesome. Thank you very much. So just as a follow-up to the ads question, Tony, can you talk a little bit about the importance of DSPs on the platform? Last quarter you signed a deal with the trade desk maybe how significant is that relationship to you and maybe other dsbs on the platform and then um this may be related maybe not can you talk the the take rate was sequentially flat about 13.5 i think the first time in a while anything to read into that how much of the the take rate was driven by advertising and maybe platform revenues in the quarter. Maybe that's for Ravi. Thank you.

Yeah, I'll start the first part on ads. I think all of these things are all par for the course, right, in terms of the partnerships. And if you think about what it is, right, the first thing we did with ads when we started three years ago was we first built them for restaurants. And within restaurants, you have, you know, two different kinds of advertisers, if you will. You have small and medium businesses, and then you have enterprise businesses, some of which are larger and some of which are smaller, but some of whom have franchisees, some of whom have no franchisees. And then, you know, we moved to CPG as we progressed, especially in our work, into new verticals. And, you know, now we have the product portfolio really to serve anyone. And now we're doing this globally as well. And so that's kind of where we're at um we're now ready as you mentioned um we announced uh you know a partner um uh and and and will likely have more partnerships um where we'll just kind of keep um solving for what i think advertisers are somewhat accustomed to right we understand that um this is a really important ecosystem there are a lot of different partners that um existing merchants and advertisers work with and i think that'll just be par for the course of building out that roadmap.

And just on the second point, right, I mean, the take rate in terms of Q4, the impact was largely seasonal due to Dasher pay. Look, I mean, Q4 is a great quarter for us in terms of growth. We've seen this in historic years as well. So we lean into Dasher pay in order to support the growth. That's largely what you're seeing in terms of the Q4 take rate. But more importantly, right, just to pull back, I mean, again, important to reiterate, you know, how we operate the business. We're not operating the business towards a specific margin percentage. Our goal has always been to continue to increase overall profit dollars. And the way we think about the business is generating unit economic efficiency is extremely important for us. And when we generate the efficiency, we try to reinvest that back in the business with a constraint of a growing retention and b growing order frequency because that drives scale and scale drives profitability in the business. And we are investing flexibly, you know, up and down the P&L. And that's been the philosophy that we've operated, you know, for the last several years. And it's going to continue to be the case going forward as well.

That's great. Okay. Thank you both. That felt cool.

And your next question comes from the line of Brian Nowak from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Great. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe two. The first one, I'd love to sort of dig into a little bit of the prioritization changes year on year. Tony, can you sort of talk to us about how your 25 budgeting and investment priorities or areas of capital allocation changed versus the start of 24. I'm trying to sort of think through where are you sort of investing more or less year on year just to sort of continue to maximize your multi-year free cash flow, dollar growth, and frequency. And then the second one, maybe a little bit of housekeeping, but just so we all didn't get over our skis, how should we think about the pace of the buyback and sort of the cash balance you're targeting or what is sort of the regulator on the pace of the buyback going forward. Thanks.

Yeah, I can start on maybe the prioritization question, and Ravi, if you want to take the buyback question. I guess in short, Brian, not much has changed. I would say 25 versus 24. I wish that an infinite amount of progress can happen in 12 months, but things usually take a lot longer than I would hope. And that's certainly been my experience so far. And I think what I do see, though, is that I see continued product market fit improvements effectively everywhere. And so whenever I see that, I'll just continue to double down. So I think it's hard to see these things year to year. I mean, even if you looked intellectually, honestly, at our 24 results or the Q4 results, I mean, most of those things were baked a long time ago, right? because they were a product sum of the decisions and prioritization actions taken, you know, leading up to it. And the reason why I'm proud of our 24 results is probably a reflection of the work that we started in 22 or 23 or something like this. And that's kind of how I view 25, you know, and so I continue to see great reason to invest in each one of our areas. I mean, we have a stable and strong growth in the U.S. restaurants area, which, you know, is our oldest area of exploration. But I continue to think that there's a lot more room to go there. Obviously, we have very strong candidates for investment both overseas as well as outside of restaurants. Commerce platform continues to do well. I think, you know, commerce platform right now, we're really only addressing a couple of problems with first party delivery and first party ordering. But obviously, if you think about how do you become a digital powerhouse, you're gonna have to do more than that. And then there's the ads, you know, business, which has done amazing. But I kind of expected that. Again, I think that a healthy ads business follows a healthy marketplace. and I think our teams have executed really well and have followed a pretty clear line there. And so I think in each one of those areas, I kind of see very similar areas of investment year on year. I think for me, it's actually thinking about, well, what other problems can we solve and making sure that, you know, we're taking enough risk and working creatively enough with our customers so that we can, you know, be more and more useful.

Hey, Brian, you know, on the second point on buyback, I mean, look, I mean, I think it's important to reiterate how we think about capital allocation. Our philosophy around that has not changed. The way we think about it has been very consistent, which is anytime we invest, every dollar we put to work, we expect to generate a meaningful amount of return that's been the strategy we employed and continues to be the case now you look on the buyback piece right i mean we're pretty happy with the results we've generated over the last couple years we've generated over two billion dollars in terms of shareholder value we've been opportunistic you know our goal is to drive returns over a longer period of time and we'll continue to be opportunistic and conservative going forward as well great thank you both and this does conclude our q a session and we will be concluding today's conference call.

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