Welcome to the Old National Bancorp Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded and has been accessible to the public in accordance with the SEC's Regulation FD. Corresponding presentation slides can be found on the Investor Relations page at oldnational.com and will be archived there for 12 months. Management would like to remind everyone that certain statements on today's call may be forward-looking in nature and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results or outcomes to differ from those discussed. The company refers you to its forward-looking statements legend in the earnings release and presentation slides. The company's risk factors are fully disclosed and discussed within the SEC filings. In addition, certain slides contain non-GAAP measures, which management believes provide more appropriate comparisons. These non-GAAP measures are intended to assist investors in understanding performance trends. Reconciliations for those numbers are contained within the appendix of the presentation. I'd now like to turn the call over to Old National CEO, Jim Ryan. Mr. Ryan, please go ahead.

Good morning. We are pleased to be with you today to share details about our strong second quarter performance. Simply put, the quarter was business as usual for Old National, with growth in deposits, solid liquidity and credit quality, disciplined loan growth and well-managed expenses. The strength of our franchise remains evident in the results outlined on Slide 4. We reported EPS of $0.52 for the quarter, adjusted EPS was $0.54 per common share with adjusted return on assets (ROA) and return on average tangible common equity (ROATCE) of 1.33% and 22%, respectively. Our adjusted efficiency ratio was a low 49%. Tangible book value, excluding other comprehensive income (AOCI), also increased 15% year-over-year. Deposit balances were up 4% during the quarter, with growth in core deposits of 2% as we continue to effectively compete for new banking relationships. Our total cost of deposits was 115 basis points and we maintained our deposit pricing discipline with a low 23% total deposit beta cycle to date. Our credit quality remained stable with 6 basis points of non-PCD related charge-offs. We remain watchful and consistent with other banks, and are focused on potential pockets of softness. Like our deposit portfolio, our loan portfolio is granular and relationship-driven, which should continue to serve us well. We remain confident in our client selection and underwriting. And as you know, Old National has taken a proactive approach to managing credit. This approach has served us well in the past and you see evidence of that stance in this quarter's work to address any credit deterioration aggressively. On the client side, engagement remained high in the quarter. We expect full relationships with our borrowing clients. And to the extent that new or existing clients lack that potential, we will manage accordingly. We do, however, continue to expect disciplined loan portfolio growth in 2023. In other areas, it's more of the same. Our below peer deposit costs should drive a funding advantage, we expect to see organic growth of our wealth management client base and we continue to focus on disciplined expense management, while building tangible book value. We also continue to invest in top revenue-generating talent and expand into dynamic new markets within our footprint. We recently celebrated the opening of our first Metro Detroit area commercial banking office with a terrific new team, and we announced two prominent commercial relationship managers have joined our Nashville wealth management team. Before I turn things over to Brendon, I also want to take a moment to share that our Old National family continues to recover and heal from the Louisville tragedy on April 10 that claimed the lives of five of our team members and impacted so many others. More than three months later, our ONB family continues to do our best to love, care for and support one another. Additionally, in June, our Downtown Louisville team began serving clients at a new location in the heart of Downtown Mobile. Once again, I want to thank countless individuals and organizations who have cared for and supported our family during this challenging time. I also want to acknowledge and thank our team members for their resiliency and their commitment to supporting one another. With that, I will now turn the call over to Brendon to cover the quarterly results in more detail.

Thanks, Jim. Turning to our quarter-end balance sheet on Slide 5. We continue to effectively navigate the challenging operating environment, achieving a more efficient balance sheet. We improved our earning asset mix with cash flows from our investment portfolio reinvested in loans, while their funding mix improved through higher deposit balances and lower borrowings. As a result, our loan-to-deposit ratio improved by 100 basis points, while strong earnings bolstered our capital levels and contributed to tangible book value growth despite facing AOCI headwinds. On Slide 6, we present the trend in total loan growth and portfolio yields. Total loans grew by 2%, in line with our expectations. We sold approximately $300 million of non-relationship C&I loans at par during the quarter as we looked to manage liquidity while prioritizing lending to our clients with full banking relationships. The investment portfolio decreased by 2%, mainly due to portfolio cash flows and declines in fair values. Despite rate shifts, the duration remained steady at 4.4 years and is not expected to extend further. Cash flows from the portfolio are expected to be $1.2 billion over the next 12 months. Moving to Slide 7, we show our trend in total deposits, which increased $1.3 billion or 4% quarter-over-quarter. Core deposits grew approximately $800 million, including $490 million of normal seasonal public inflows. The trend in average deposits reflects the continued mix shift away from non-interest bearing accounts into money markets and CDs. Market conditions continue to put upward pressure on deposit rates with interest-bearing deposit costs increasing 57 basis points to 1.66% and resulting in a cycle-to-date interest-bearing deposit beta of 33%. Total deposit costs were relatively low at 1.15%, which equates to a cycle-to-date total deposit beta of 23%. While it's challenging to estimate the terminal beta, we have a strong track record of managing deposit rates and are confident we can maintain our funding cost advantage throughout the remainder of the rate cycle. Our disciplined approach to exception pricing has allowed us to successfully defend deposit balances and our targeted promotions have resulted in above peer deposit growth. Slide 8 provides our quarter-end income statement. We reported GAAP net income applicable to common shares of $151 million or $0.52 per share. Reported earnings include $6 million in pretax merger-related and other charges. Excluding these items, our adjusted earnings per share was $0.54. Our profitability continues to be strong with an adjusted return on average tangible common equity of 22.1% and adjusted return on average assets of 1.33%. Moving on to Slide 9. We present details of our net interest income and margin. Both metrics surpassed our expectations as we reported a linked quarter increase in net interest income and experienced lower-than-anticipated margin compression. Our strong performance was bolstered by the 0.25 point rate hike by the Fed in May and our better-than-expected deposit growth. Furthermore, we continue to make progress towards achieving our targeted neutral rate risk position by the end of the rate cycle, while prudently adding protection against any sudden reversal and Fed rate policy. Slide 10 shows trends in adjusted non-interest income, which was $82 million for the quarter. Our primary fee businesses remained stable, but we did benefit from a $4 million increase in other income that we would not anticipate in our run rate next quarter. The items driving that increase were company-owned life insurance revenues, a recovery from a prior charged-off asset, and positive derivative valuations associated with the transition from LIBOR to SOFR. Continuing to Slide 11, we show the trend in adjusted non-interest expenses. Adjusted expenses were $241 million, and our adjusted efficiency ratio was a low 49.4%. Our expenses were well controlled and consistent with the previous quarter, excluding a $5 million increase in incentive accruals related to our strong year-to-date performance. This would equate to a Q3 run rate of $237.5 million. On Slide 12, we present our credit trends, which remained stable, reflecting the strong performance of both our commercial and consumer portfolios. Delinquencies have decreased, and net charge-offs have remained steady at a modest 6 basis points, excluding the 7 basis point impact from PCD loans. The rise in non-performing loans primarily stems from the anticipated migration of PCD credits as we maintain an aggressive approach to resolving these loans. While charge-offs from this portfolio are expected to remain elevated in the short term, we expect minimal impact on provision expense, given that we currently carry a $39 million or approximately 4% reserve against this book. Our second quarter allowance, including reserve for unfunded commitments, stands at $338 million or 104 basis points of total loans. The modest reserve increase was largely driven by loan growth, partially offset by adjustments in our economic forecast. We continue to rely on a 100% weighted Moody's S3 scenario that projects peak unemployment of 7.2% and negative GDP growth of 3.1%. Barring any significant deterioration beyond these economic assumptions, we expect provision expense to remain limited to portfolio performance and loan growth. Shifting to key areas of focus on Slide 14, you will see further details on our loan portfolio. Our commercial loan book, which constitutes approximately 70% of our total loans, is granular and well diversified. Our non-owner occupied CRE is also well diversified across various asset classes and geographies. Regarding non-owner occupied office properties, the majority of the portfolio was comprised of suburban or medical offices with a significant portion of credit tenant leases. Only a negligible percentage, less than 1% of total loans, is attributed to properties located within central business districts that are geographically dispersed across 11 Midwestern cities in our footprint. On Slide 15, we provide highlights from a recent examination of fixed-rate CRE maturities over the next 18 months, less than 1% of total loans that are non-owner occupied CRE mature within 18 months and carry a note rate of less than 4%. Our approach to underwriting CRE includes a 300 basis point margin over the current rates at the time of origination. While these maturing credits have surpassed the original underwriting stress coupon, we have observed improved net operating income from higher rents. This improvement has been sufficient to uphold debt service ratios in line with our underwriting guidelines, and we believe the refinance risk in this portfolio to be minimal. Slide 16 details our Q2 commercial production. The $1.9 billion of production was well balanced across all product lines and major markets. As discussed on last quarter's call, we have tightened our pricing standards, enhanced our credit structure and reinforced with our relationship managers, the importance of acquiring a full banking relationship for new loan requests. As a result of these actions and strong Q2 production, our pipeline has decreased to $3.1 billion and is consistent with the low to mid-single-digit loan growth we expect in the back half of the year. On Slide 17, we present further insights into our deposit base. Our average core deposit balance is meaningfully lower than peers. 81% of our accounts have less than $25,000 on deposit and carry an average balance of just $4,500. It's important to highlight that we maintain strong enduring relationships with our deposit customers, 50% of which have been with the bank for over 15 years. Our top 20 deposit clients represent only 5% of total deposits and have a weighted average tenure of greater than 30 years. Lastly, our brokered deposits were 3.5% of total deposits at the end of the quarter, which we expect to be well below peer average. On Slide 18, we provide a comprehensive overview of our capital position at the end of the quarter. We observed improvements in all regulatory capital ratios and maintain stability in our tangible common equity ratio despite facing the negative impact of increasing AOCI. Our above peer return on tangible common equity, coupled with our peer average dividend payout ratio, should result in us accreting capital at a faster rate than most. Additionally, we anticipate 30% of our outstanding AOCI to accrete to capital by the end of 2024. We did not repurchase any shares in the quarter and do not intend to do so in the near term as we focus on capital growth. In summary, our strong second quarter performance marked the successful conclusion of the first half of 2023, with results slightly exceeding our expectations. We have improved the efficiency ratio of our balance sheet through a better earning asset mix, strong core deposit growth led to a better funding mix, and we grew tangible book value per share by 15%, excluding other comprehensive income impact. Despite the challenging rate environment, our net interest income grew quarter-over-quarter, largely due to the strong execution of our deposit strategy. We have demonstrated an ability to both expand our customer base while maintaining peer-leading deposit costs. Our credit portfolio remains stable and our disciplined approach to managing expenses is evident in our quarterly adjusted efficiency ratio of 49.4%. Slide 20 includes thoughts on our outlook for the remainder of 2023. We believe our current pipeline should support second half 2023 loan growth in the low to mid-single-digit range, with full-year growth in the mid to high single-digit range. We continue to target at or above industry deposit growth and we are reconfirming our guide on a 9% to 12% year-over-year net interest income increase with a stronger conviction towards the higher end of this range. The key assumptions in this guidance include one more rate hike and a through-the-cycle interest-bearing deposit beta of 43% to 53% by year-end and non-interest-bearing deposits falling to 28%. We expect fee businesses to be stable in the back half of 2023 with the exception of the $4 million in non-run rate items we noted earlier. Our expense outlook is adjusted to approximately $949 million for full-year 2023, excluding merger-related charges and property optimization related expenses. This reflects our prior guidance of $939 million, adjusted upward by $10 million for higher incentive accruals. $5 million of this has already been accrued at quarter end. Provision expense share continues to be limited to loan growth, portfolio changes and non-PCD charge-offs as we believe we have adequate reserves against the PCD book. Turning to taxes, we expect approximately $8 million in tax credit amortization for the remainder of 2023 with a corresponding full-year effective tax rate of 25% on a core FTE basis and 23% on a GAAP basis. With those comments, I'd like to open up the call for your questions. We do have the full team available including Mark Sander, Jim Sandgren and John Moran.

We'll take our first question from Ben Gerlinger with Hovde Group. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Ben.

I hate to start with a modeling question, but you provided extensive guidance on both sides of the balance sheet, particularly regarding the cost of liabilities and deposits moving forward. However, I feel like there was one aspect missing that I had to estimate—the average earning asset yield and the potential increase related to the next rate hike. When I put everything together, I come up with a margin around 3.4% by year-end. I might be slightly off by a few basis points, but do you think that’s a reasonable assumption? Additionally, what factors could lead to outcomes above or below that margin?

Yeah. I think you're in the ballpark, Ben. I think what we need to think about is what is the velocity of deposit pricing going forward and how well can we do against that deposit beta guide we got. I can tell you today, the velocity does seem to have slowed. I know we're one month into the third quarter. But I think there's some potential upside there. And we do have still a significant amount of fixed asset repricing, fixed pricing assets that we'll replace for the next 12 months, that's meaningful. It could and it should help defer a lot of this kind of late cycle deposit repricing that we have. So I think those are the two items that probably offset margin pressure going forward.

I understand. Following up on that, is this approach more about being cautious? You have a strong deposit franchise that doesn't see the same volatility as some of the lower-quality competitors. Is it more about extending timelines? It seems a bit conservative to me, but I assume you have better insight on the situation.

I think our through the cycle deposit beta that we put out there, I think that range, I think, seems reasonable. Time will tell. But what we continue to say whatever the deposit betas do for the industry, we think we outperform it at the end of the day. That's our best guess today in this environment and will we try to outperform it? Absolutely. One thing we're certainly confident is we can be better than peers.

Got you. That's great. And then one more kind of just changing topics a little bit. You guys kind of historically modeled for the worst-case scenario based on Moody's S3 and with that as the backdrop, if you guys are slowing loan growth, does that kind of negate the economic factors associated with CECL? Or is it more bad could get worse and their modeling, therefore, you go lower. What I'm really getting at here is you're slowing loan growth, should the provision come down as well, assuming there's no credit events?

See, our provision should be generally limited to loan growth and non-PCD charge-offs. And so if loan growth moderates a little bit, that should moderate provision expense going forward.

All right. Sounds good. Appreciate it. Great quarter. I hope the rest of year continues this trend.

Thanks, Ben.

Next, we'll go to Scott Siefers with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking the question. Just wanted to ask a question on NII. So obviously, really good performance. I'm glad to see the sturdy guide. Brendon, maybe if you could offer just sort of any thoughts you might have or be comfortable with sort of when and why you would see NII ultimately bottoming? And to the extent possible, what would happen to it thereafter? I mean, presumably, it becomes a function of loan growth and sort of back book repricing, but maybe just sort of nuances of upcoming ebbs and flows in NII in the aggregate?

Scott, yeah, I think it's impossible to predict with any level of precision when on bottoms out and at what level, I can tell you that we continue to run an asset under the balance sheet, and the next rate hike will help offset any deposit headwinds as we've talked about a little earlier. I think the pace of deposit repricing has slowed a little bit. So I don't want to call the end. But certainly, there's more probably downside pressure than upside opportunity at this point.

Okay. Regarding the non-interest bearing deposits, I think they might decrease to 28% from about 30% today. Could you provide some background on what leads you to believe that figure is accurate? Specifically, what risks are you considering, and what observations suggest that they will stabilize relatively soon?

Yes. We're monitoring the pace of that transition out of non-interest bearing into higher interest-bearing accounts. This is probably maybe the most aggressive of the assumptions in there, but probably has maybe the smallest impact in terms of our guide. So I don't think it moves around our NII guidance significantly if we missed that by a couple of percentage points. But Scott, honestly, it's our best guess. That's a tough one to call, but we're monitoring the behaviors, and we feel comfortable with that level now, and we'll update you if that changes.

Okay. Perfect. All right. Thank you very much.

Thanks, Scott.

Thank you. And next, we'll go to David Long with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, David.

Let's stick with the deposit discussion here. And the question I have is, it seems like June, there was a lot of competition as banks wanted to show deposit growth in the quarter. Is your sense that maybe deposit competition has eased in July? And then as a second part of that, throughout the second quarter and into here in July, where are you seeing the biggest competition? Is it the G-SIBs? Is it the regionals? Is it the community banks? Where is it most competitive? Thanks.

I don't think that competition has eased. The pace of increase has slowed, which is what Brendon was trying to express. We remain competitive and are positioned in the upper half of the market regarding our rates. There is still intense competition coming from various sources, particularly from midsized banks. The Systemically Important Financial Institutions don’t have to compete as much, but all our markets experience significant competition, and I believe it remains quite robust.

Got it. Cool. Okay. And then Secondly, I wanted to ask about your appetite to hire additional commercial bankers. I know you guys have had a lot of success over the last year or two in that. Are you still looking to hire within your footprint? And if so, what is the commercial banker that's attractive to look you like?

The answer to your question is yes. We will always stay in the market because we have a long-term perspective, and we have paused some activities, but good revenue producers quickly pay for themselves even in this environment. We are developing a model focused on the long term. We have a compelling story to tell, and we want to capitalize on it when people are considering a change, as well as being proactive with those who may not be actively looking. This year, we have slowed down our hiring pace mainly because we don’t need to bring in additional staff; we are being opportunistic. However, we still hired nine revenue producers in wealth and commercial during Q2, and we will continue to seek opportunities. The ideal candidate is typically a seasoned banker with 10 to 15 years or more experience in relationship banking within our markets.

Got it. Thanks, Mark. Appreciate it. Thanks, everyone.

Thanks, David.

Next, we'll go to Chris McGratty with KBW. Your line is now open.

Good morning.

Good morning, Chris.

Hey. Brendon, maybe another one for you. I think the market consensus is that we stay higher for longer after this week's Fed move. If that plays out to the earlier comments on margins. Should the narrative get a little bit harder next year? Or is it kind of a balancing effort you can kind of hold margins?

I believe it's a balancing act. It's a challenge to maintain margins, and I think we have an edge over many others due to the strength of our deposit franchise, which allows the pace of deposit costs to stabilize. As I mentioned, we have numerous earning assets at fixed rates that will significantly reprice. Our fixed rate portfolio is expected to reprice 180 basis points above typical runoff levels, and our investment portfolio, which we are reinvesting into loans, is over 400 basis points. Therefore, I believe we have the necessary tools and a strong balance sheet to help maintain stability in a prolonged higher rate environment.

Okay. That's helpful. And then in terms of capital, Jim, you talked to just about everything is kind of on hold given the environment. What are you looking for to kind of make a switch to returning more capital?

There's an awful lot to play out here with respect to the economy and the last rate move. I think like all investors, right? I mean I think we're trying to answer those questions. And then I think we get more comfort in how do we think about returning capital in which form. So I think we get more clarity as the year continues to progress and would have better operational excellence heading into next year.

Okay. And maybe if I could just sneak one more in. Brendon, I think you mentioned $4 million of kind of non-run rate fees. So that would put you kind of $77 million, $78 million kind of ballpark for quarterly fees. I want to make sure I understood that. And then given the tax benefit in the quarter, I know you gave a full year guide, but do you have what the back of the envelope is for the back half of the year with that adjustment?

I think that $78 million, $77 million is the right number for fees going forward considering the mortgage and capital markets challenges. Regarding the tax rate, I believe the full year guidance likely reflects the estimates for the last two quarters.

Thanks, Chris.

Thank you. Next, we'll go to Terry McEvoy with Stephens. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Terry.

Maybe the decline in the loan pipeline, the $5.4 billion to $3.1 billion, how much of that is internal focus on the full relationship and just tightening things up versus just less market demand out there?

Yeah, Terry, it's Mark. I wouldn't assign percentages to it, but our internal focus plays a bigger role than external factors. The commercial real estate markets have indeed slowed down and are less active, which contributes to this situation, but primarily, we are managing our balance sheet carefully. As Jim and Brendon mentioned earlier, we are a relationship bank, and that's our standard approach. However, in this particular environment, we are not prioritizing credit as we have in the past. We expect deposits from day one, and if the pipeline does not reflect that, we will remove them. Consequently, we have taken proactive steps to streamline our pipeline.

I see. And then just overall managing the size of the balance sheet, what's your appetite for additional loan sales? And will the cash flow from the securities portfolio be utilized to fund loan growth?

Yeah, Terry, this is Brendon. Yeah, we're lastly use the best portfolio to continue to fund loans. And I think to the extent that deposits continue to grow to fund our loan growth. We'll use that. If it doesn't, there's opportunities to continue to pair, but it won't be significant or sizable.

I just want to confirm that the expense guide includes everything Jim discussed regarding the build-out in Southeast Michigan and Detroit, your efforts in wealth management, and your initiatives in Nashville. You have many growth projects, but you've managed to self-fund them and have not increased the expense guidance, which has come as a pleasant surprise. Are you confident that all these initiatives are reflected in the expense guide for this year?

Yes, Terry. Absolutely, it's all captured in.

That's the goal, right? I mean I think we have continued opportunities to invest in people and any technology needs. But at the same time, we've got to figure out ways to self-fund that. And so we want to be incredibly disciplined around with what that looks like.

I totally agree. Thanks for taking my questions.

Thanks, Terry.

Thank you. Next, we'll go to Brody Preston with UBS. Your line is open.

Hey. Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Brody.

Hey. I wanted to follow up, Brendon. I believe you mentioned there might be some potential upside on net interest income, or maybe it was Jim who said that, depending on the deposit beta guide's velocity. You mentioned that the spot rate was 1.98%. How has the velocity changed from that 1.98% level?

Yeah, it slowed materially. But it's early days in the quarter, and so we don't want to declare victory and say that's a permanent change of velocity, but we have seen some positive trends on that front. And obviously, we'll continue to watch it.

Got it. And I saw the uptick in brokered deposits quarter-over-quarter, and it looked like it was fairly spread out between the front end and the back end. But I wanted to ask just like just given NIBs came in a bit better than what I expected. Are you guys planning on maybe slowing the pace of brokered? Or is there a potential for you to pay brokered deposits back? And would that kind of feed into maybe a slowing of the increase in the deposit cost trajectory?

Yeah, it's all about core deposit growth trajectory to the extent that we continue to grow core deposits at rates better than brokered. We'll continue to do that and deemphasize our use of brokered.

Okay. Okay. And then the last one for me, just in terms of the loan pipeline, I'm sorry if I missed it. Do you have a sense for, I guess, what portion of it is kind of fixed rate versus floating rate at this point? And what kind of new fixed rate origination yields are?

Yes, we do. It's about 75% floating and 25% fixed.

Okay. And is there a difference between what the origination yields are on the fixed rate versus the floating rate?

Yeah, we actually put it in the slide deck. Our floating rate just in June was 7.61%, and fixed was around just above 6%. That could move up a little bit, given our potential, obviously, rate hike coming here shortly.

What drives that delta, Brendon, between commercial fixed and commercial floating being 150 to 160 basis points kind of difference at this point in the rate cycle?

Yeah, it’s just a walk curve. You think about the average tenure of these fixed-rate deals, five years, that 5-year swap service is about that below.

Got it. Got it. Okay. Great. Well, thank you very much for taking my questions. I appreciate it.

Thanks, Brody.

Next, we'll go to Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Hey, thanks. Good morning.

Good morning, Jon.

Hey. A couple of follow ups. Just on the margin, Brendon, to just put it all together, do you feel like is the margin inflecting now? I mean if the Fed is done this week, is it inflecting imminently in your mind?

I think, as I said, I think there's probably more downward pressure than upward opportunity in this, but it's so dependent on, again, the velocity of deposit repricing and where these terminal betas. And there's opportunities to continue to grow NII on the earning asset side because fixed rate assets repricing. Is it enough to offset it? We just don't know yet.

Okay. This is great because you don't have exposure to the central business district. I think the banks that lack this exposure tend to discuss it more openly. But you operate in many major cities. What are you observing regarding central business district office real estate? Do you think it's as significant of an issue as it seems from the outside? I'm curious about your insights.

I think you just answered your own question. I think it's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be and yes, we all have our eye on it. It's not like it's robust and there aren't much in the way of new opportunities, certainly, but the risk does exist. I think it's perhaps a little overly stressed in the media. I think we have ours well circled and to the extent we need to well reserved for the couple of opportunities that where there are issues.

Okay, good. Jim, I have a question for you. Are there any regulatory concerns that you have regarding Old National, despite being under $100 million? Is there anything you're hearing that could have an external impact on the company?

No. I think obviously we're paying really close attention to what's being set out there. And we have always been in the position of having good regulatory relationships, and this is now not the time to reduce any emphasis on the work you do, right? And so we just got to continue to improve at every single thing we do to meet regulatory expectations, exceed regulatory expectations. But as I see those things, I think that the toughest one seemed to be aimed at banks north of $100 million. And obviously, there's a lot of distance between where we're at today and that number. So I think we're in a great spot. I actually think we're in the sweet spot for kind of profitability in terms of bank of our size, where we have the scale to go off and hire and invest in technology. And yet we'll maybe miss some of the toughest things that come to our industry. So I think we're in a really strong spot to be for the next few years.

I agree. Returns look really good. So all right. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Thanks, Jon.

There are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to Jim Ryan for closing remarks.

Well, as always, we appreciate your participation. Thanks for the one or two questions that I actually got that weren't directed towards Brendon and Mark. Lynell and John and Brendon and the whole team are here to answer any follow-up questions. So once again, thank you for all your participation and support.

This concludes Old National's call. Once again, a replay along with the presentation slides will be available for 12 months on the Investor Relations page of Old National's website, oldnational.com. A replay of the call will also be available by dialing 800-770-2030, access code 5258325. This replay will be available through August 8. If anyone has any additional questions, please contact Lynell Walton at 812-464-1366. Thank you for your participation.