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Earnings call · FY2026 Q3

Securitize Corp. (SECZ) Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Scheduled Nov 9, 2026 Audio replay
Nov 9, 2026 1:12:36 45 turns
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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Securitize's third quarter 2026 earnings results. All participants are in listen-only mode and this call is being recorded. Following the prepared remarks, we will hold a question and answer session. To ask a question, and if you have joined via the webinar, please use the raise hand icon which can be found at the bottom of your webinar application and be prepared to unmute your line when prompted. I would now like to turn the call over to Sam Ross, Head of Investor Relations. Mr. Ross, please go ahead.

Sam Ross Head of Investor Relations

Thank you, Max. Good evening, and thank you all for joining Securitize's third quarter 2026 earnings call. For today's call, I am joined by our chairman and chief executive officer, Carlos Domingo, our chief financial officer, Francisco Flores, and our president, Red Redfern, who will be joining us for the Q&A portion of the call. I'd like to remind you that today's presentation, which is available for download on our Investor Relations website, investors.securitize.io, may contain forward-looking statements which are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks, uncertainties, and changes in circumstances. Actual results may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of factors, including those described in our earnings materials, as well as in our SEC filings. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Carlos.

Thank you, Sam, and thank you, everybody, for joining us today. It's great to be with you as we report our third quarter results. This was our first quarter as a publicly traded company, and we made significant progress both financially and strategically. We deliver strong recovery in revenue, continue to build and scale our platform, and advance several initiatives that we believe will shape the next phase of tokenized capital markets. So our mission, as you know, is tokenize the world, and it remains very simple. It means bringing real financial assets on chain with the rights, protections, and infrastructure that institutions and investors expect from traditional capital markets, but with all deficiencies provided by blockchains. I'll begin with the financial and business highlights for the quarter, then spend some time in our progress in tokenized equities, fund tokenization, and strategic partnerships. I'll also discuss our fund acquisition of RiverOne, which represents an important expansion to create origination and asset-backed financing, and our additional regulatory capabilities. After that, our CFO, Francisco, will walk you through the financial results and our outlook in more detail. Let me start with the highlights of the quarter. As many of you know, our second quarter revenue came below where we wanted. This quarter, we delivered a very strong $18.6 million of revenue, up 29% sequentially and 13% year-over-year. That makes Q3 our second highest revenue quarter on record. And through the first nine months of the year, we've generated a record $52.5 million in revenue. We also narrow significantly our adjusted EBITDA loss to approximately $2 million, an improvement of about $3.5 million compared to the prior quarter. Our GAAP results reflect accounting items, which Francisco will explain in detail shortly after me. We achieved a record $5 billion in average tokenized assets in our platform. Securitas fund services reached $25.2 billion in assets under administrations, and we ended up the quarter servicing 669 active funds. Aggregate transaction volume was $4.3 billion, up 20% year-over-year. Taking together these results should both improve quarterly execution and the growing scale of our platform. Beyond the financial results, we continue to expand the business in seven important areas that will go in detail later. In public equities, we tokenized our own stock, SECC, when we listed in July at the New York Stock Exchange, and following the quarter end, we launched securitized stocks, which already has expanded to 25 U.S. equities. In funds, we run our institutional offerings with Neuberger Berman's High Income Fund, the ARC Venture Fund, and additional work with Blackboard. We expanded the integration and distribution opportunities across decentralized finance, stablecoins, global markets, and institutional partners. And Securitized Capital became an SEC-registered investor advisor and adding to our regulated capabilities. The common thread is that we're building much more than a token-ish on service. We're building a regular infrastructure that can support the ownership, trading, servicing, and increasing the financing of financial assets. Let's go over with tokenized equities, which we believe represents one of the largest opportunities for bringing regulated financial markets on-chain. As we've mentioned before, the global equities market is enormous. It's estimated to be $169 trillion, and a very, very small portion is today represented on chain. That tells us just how early this market remains. It's also important to recognize that not all tokenized equities are created equal. There are three fundamental different approaches. The first one is issuer-sponsored tokenization, where the token represents the actual share, and ownership is reflected in the issuer's hold of register. Second is what are called custodial security entitlements, where tokens that are back to one by underlying shares and hold that have legally recognized entitlements. These are regulated on the Article 8 of the UCC and fully legal and compliant in the US. And third, they are synthetic products that provide exposure to a set price without the same ownership structure. These are mostly offered offshore and in the current structure do not comply with US regulations. Our strategy focuses on the first two approaches. Issuer sponsored shares and back security entitlements. The differentiation is not just the blockchain technology. It's the legal rights and regulated infrastructure underneath. We bring together transfer agency, broker-dealer capabilities, trading infrastructure, and access to issuer relationships. That's why we believe we're particularly well-positioned as this market develops. As we mentioned before, tokenized stocks are at a very, very early stage. There is about $4.6 billion in the market represented by this chart. We will go about the breakdown a little bit in a second. That's October 27. That is roughly the level stablecoins reached in March 2020. Since then, stablecoins grew substantially 64 times as the utility increased, and this analogy shows what early-stage adoption can look like. We're not predicting that tokenized stocks will follow the same path or growth at the same rate. The opportunity depends on real investor rights, trading access, liquidity, and practical use cases with tokenizers. When we went public in New York Stock Exchange on July 2nd, We decided to list our own shares on the Solana and Avalanche blockchain from Daewoo. We were the first company doing this to showcase how tokenization is possible in the U.S. in a regulated manner. As of September 30th, at the end of the quarter, and during most of the Q3, SECC was the largest individual tokenized stock, with approximately $278 million in value. Roughly 2.6 times the next largest stock represented on this chart, which is a synthetic representation of another company. In our case, Continental, which is our transfer agent, provides us to hold the record infrastructure, and we provide the tokenization capabilities. For the trading portion of it, Jam helps provide the liquidity and extended our tradings in the Solana ecosystem. We follow regulations related to pricing for trading, providing always prices that are within the NBBO, or National Best Binance Offer, therefore providing on-chain the same pricing that you can have trading on a traditional broker-dealer, but on a blockchain. SEC is also accepted as collateral in the on-chain lending market, and we will be expanding the lending utility over time. We demonstrated that the issue-sponsored model with our own public shares from the first day of trading is possible in the U.S. in a regulated way. Subsequently, right after quarter-end, we launched Securitize stocks on October 8th with 12 U.S. equities on Solana, another 13 more on November 2, bringing the offering to 25 of the top and most traded U.S. stocks on-chain. Each token is fully backed one by one by underlying share, health, law, security, entitlement, and their existing law, not a synthetic instrument. The structure is designed to preserve the applicable dividends, voting rights, and economic benefits of the underlying shares. We also do not lend out the backing shares, and we allow investors to tokenize shares to lend themselves the shares retaining most of the economics, as opposed to what happens to the international markets where you're sure they're being lent out with broker-dealers retaining most of the economics. We also think that for retail investors, being able to borrow against their shares is very important and something not easily available in today's markets that DeFi markets and blockchain infrastructure can bring to market. Our convertible entitlement token model also creates a pathway for holders to convert into issuer record shares when an issuer adopts a compatible structure in a seamless way without having to reissue the tokens or change anything on the investor end. So let us summarize where we are in terms of, you know, 24-7. First, we already have a live U.S. broker-dealer model for securitized stocks on Solana with USDC instant settlement and extended trading hours. JA is the liquidity partner alongside infrastructure partners that support trading, clearing, custody, and collateral opportunities. Our objective is to expand distribution through additional venues, including the proposed New York Stock Exchange Digital ATS that is launching in Q4, and the OKXI's JV Tokenized Securities Venue, or TSB, that is launching in the coming days. Pool 24-7 trading remains a goal, and the additional venues are subject to their respective launch and regulatory milestones. It's important to distinguish what is live from what is planned. As trading moves on-chain, there might be multiple regulatory routes, and our existing business is built to work within today's roles. Another important regulatory milestone in this quarter was the long-awaited SEC Innovation Exemption that was published in September 17th, and that provides conditional relief for trading stocks on chain using permission-automated market-making tools. It includes safeguards around equivalent rights, issue of notice, and objections, and limits on eligible securities and trading models. We welcome responsible innovation in market structure, just as important, security as existing regulated broker-dealer approach does not depend on this exemption, but we will be supporting multiple venues, including multiple TSVs. Given the bit of the confusion in the market between the two models, we wanted to bring here a table to just explain how the regulated venues, like the one we run, differ from the TSVs under the innovation exemption. First, from a regulatory framework perspective, we operate with a fully registered broker-dealer, an ATS, and we have the licenses are permanent to be able to operate without any expiration date. The innovation exemption, it's an exchange exemption. It allows people to operate without an exchange license and expires in September, 2031. More important, what we do is fully regulated and therefore does not require issuer consent. It's not required for convertible entitlement tokens and only for issuer-sponsored tokens that will require collaboration with the issuer and their transfer agent. However, the innovation exemption requires a 30-day issuer opt-out given the exact nature of the trading menu. You can see also here that there's another important thing in terms of the different execution paths that you can choose under a fully regulated broker-dealer or the innovation exemption, as well as how pricing works. In our case, we have to follow the national best bid and offer pricing, and the innovation exemption PSVs are exempt from the order protection rule. We welcome additional innovation, and we will continue to build within the existing regulatory framework. Let's move to PAN tokenization, which remains a foundation to our institutional business. As we mentioned in the previous earnings announcement, we continue working on unlocking opportunities across the yield curve. This creates new types of opportunity to generate yield and also introduces underwriting credit and liquidity consideration that tokenization itself does not eliminate. What is especially exciting is the utility of the issuance, how eligible holders can use tokenized assets as collateral or connect them with other unchanged services. In Q3, in August, we released a new fund with the Neuberger-Berman for high income that is an illustration of this progression along the yield part. This will be a bit of fun. So this fund offers tokenized access to actively manage high income credit strategies. The fund is launched on Avalanche, Ethereum, Solana, and SWE, supported by securitized, broader regulated, and servicing infrastructure. Eligible holders can use HINC as collateral in the loop-scale USDG lending market, and soon in the Aave market, where we have submitted for a governance proposal, which has already been approved. The fund has a 30-day yield of 7.13%, making it as a very attractive asset as for DeFi collateral markets. Subsequently, we launched a new fund with ARK. It's the ARK Venture Fund with ARK Invest, which is an existing registered crossover investment product that we've put on-chain with a $500 minimum for eligible investors. This is a retail product, essentially. The fund provides a mix of private and public companies and contains a lot of the most desirable companies, both public and private out there, like SpaceX, Kalshi, OpenAI, Anthropic, Stripe, and very probably it also includes equity and security. Let's move into tokenized treasuries. As you know, and as we mentioned last quarter, tokenized treasuries have grown dramatically since we launched BlackRock's Biddle in March 2024. The market is approximately 14 times larger than it was at that level. Securita has accounted for approximately 14% of the tokenized U.S. treasury funds as of September 30, and we are reflecting the position we build in the category alongside major institutional funds. What matters most is that institutional cash and treasury products have demonstrated real demand for tokenized infrastructure. And we continue working to make those assets more useful for liquidity, settlement, and collateral. In Q3, we also deepened our partnership with BlackRock and continued expanding well beyond the initial bidder launch in March 2024. During the quarter, we supported the launch of B-Reserve, BlackRock's new Registered Money Market Fund designed to serve as a genius-compliant reserve asset for a leasible stable fund. Securitize provides the tokenization and transfer engine infrastructure. We also expanded Bidl to Tempo, connecting an established institutional cash product with another blockchain ecosystem. We think Tempo is going to be one of the important players there, given the support from Stripe, which is one of the largest fintechs in the world. We're also adding liquidity capabilities through Atomic On-Off RAMs, designed to allow eligible investors to move instantly between institutional share class of Bidl and USDC, with Athena as the liquidity provider. These initiatives show how tokenized funds and a stablecoin infrastructure are becoming more closely connected, creating opportunities for greater liquidity and utility. All right, let's move into partnerships and how we connect regulated securities infrastructure with distribution of payments and outstanding utility. In Q3, we announced a very exciting partnership with a company called Socios.com, where we are exploring how regulated tokenized equity could open a new ownership opportunities around professional sports. Social.com is the largest fan engagement company where they issue fan tokens for fans of multiple professional sport teams, and they have not recognized that the fans want to move your owning fan tokens into owning ownership on the clubs that they support. Given that providing equity ownership is a regulated manner, Associates.com has partnered with Securitize to bring securities issuance, onboarding, and investing infrastructure to its support relationship and fund engagement capabilities. It's an example of how the addressable market beyond conventional funds and public equity. Also, stablecoins are one of the most important infrastructures for our products to be successful, and you want to have on-chain, not just tokenized securities, but also tokenized dollars, so things like redemptions, king and settlement, trading, etc., can become more efficient. This quarter, we joined two partner networks supporting USDG and OUSD, bringing stablecoin infrastructure closer to our tokenized funds and securities. USDG is already integrated in our platform and is using the Hink collateral market on the scale. These stablecoin rails can support more efficient funding, settlement, and on-chain lending for eligible investors. Beyond the operational benefits, the most important thing is that network participation can also create additional economics for securitize when we mint and distribute a stablecoin, rather than simply relying on third-party stable liquidity. By being a member of the network, we retain some of the economics of the underlying assets in the stablecoin. The next area where we have signed two important partnerships is Korea. We're working with major Korean institutions to develop tokenized securities as the local regulatory framework evolves. We think in the future, Korea can become a very important market for us, so we're setting the foundations and preparing for the upcoming regulatory changes. Our first collaboration is with KB Securities, one of the largest securities firms in Korea. It combines institutional distribution of REITs with security as regular infrastructure. The initial focus is a tokenized money market fund for institutions and optimism, with potential to expand in other investment strategies as securities rules permitting the country. We also announced a memorandum of understanding with LGCNS, a very large Korean system integrator to explore tokenized assets, stablecoins, and market infrastructure for financial institutions in Korea as an across A. All right, so let's move to the RiverOne acquisition. As we mentioned when we went public, one of the reasons we wanted to go public is because we think the market is going to consolidate, and we wanted to be in a position of being able to acquire companies, both with our cash and our balance sheet, as well as our liquid equity. So today, we're announcing the first plan acquisition of a company called RiverOne that represents our entry into trade and asset origination, creating opportunities beyond the tokenization and servicing business we've already built today. We spent years building the infrastructure to bring traditional finance assets on-chain, first through funds, and more recently through public equity. We believe the next big opportunity is credit. With our plan acquisition of River One, we're expanding into asset-backed finance, a large market where stable home capital and blockchain infrastructure could create meaningful new opportunities. This is not simply about financing assets we already tokenized. It's about expanding into a new asset class and participating in a new part of the value chain with the potential for additional revenue streams. Today, there are approximately $200 billion in stablecoin supply, but very little of it is actually used to finance activity in the real economy. At the same time, the U.S. asset-backed finance represents approximately $6 trillion market projected to grow to $9 trillion in 2030. We see an opportunity to connect this to markets by directing capital towards appropriately underwriting credit assets that finance business and real economy activity. This is a natural next market for security stupers. Tokenization doesn't eliminate trade risk, but we believe it can help connect investors, originators, and funding sources in more efficient ways. RiverOne is a structured credit and asset-backed finance business that works with fintechs, originators, and other capital-intensive companies, driving capital from the stable economy. Its team brings specialized expertise in origination, structuring, underwriting using an AI engine and managing credit facilities, including finances secured by receivables and other underlying assets in a programmatic way. That's compelling for us because RiverOne adds both a new capability and an experienced team that will otherwise take significant time to build internally. What makes RiverOne especially interesting is the combination of its creative expertise and its proprietary technology. They have three modules in their platform. The first one, called Argo, supports underwriting and creating analysis using an in-house AI underwriting platform that the creative team uses. The second one helps manage the financing facilities, monitor governance, and track performance in a more efficient way, and replaces two to three days of spreadsheet reviews with on-chain infrastructure that is much more efficient and instant. Finally, hardware provides a path to tokenize and distribute credit structures to secure its existing infrastructure capability. Together, these capabilities could allow us to participate early in the lifecycle of credit assets from origination and structuring through financing with stable coins and on-chain distribution of the tokenized credit products. That creates opportunities for origination fees and participation in financing economics with the potential for higher-value monetization as the business develops. Just as important, we're getting a team with deep expertise in asset-backed finance and crypto technology. The strategic rationale is very straightforward. We've built the infrastructure to tokenize service and distribute assets. We want to expand our business into credit origination itself. This acquisition remains subject to closing, and we're excited about the opportunity we could create for Securitize in the coming days when closing happens. Finally, let's talk a little bit about our new regulatory capabilities. Regulation has been central to our strategy from the beginning. In Q3, Securitize Capital became an SEC Registered Investor Advisor, another important milestone in the development of our regulator platform. As of September 30th, Securitize Capital had approximately 439 million assets in assets under management, exceeding the $150 million allowed for XMAD devices to operate. This registration gives us greater flexibility to secure our advisory business, develop additional institutional strategies, and pursue management fee opportunities. It reinforces something that has differentiated Securitize from the very beginning. We're not simply a technology provider using tokenization. We bring together a transfer agent, a broker-dealer, an alternative chain system, investment advisory, and fund admin capabilities with operations both in the U.S. and Europe. That the infrastructure institutions need as tokenization becomes an increasingly important part of our capital markets. With this, I'd like to conclude my overview of our strategic progress, and I will turn it over to Fantisco for the financial results and outlook.

Thank you. Thank you, Carlos. Good evening. For my prepared remarks today, all reference growth rates are on a year-over-year basis unless I indicate other ones. Total revenue was $18.6 million in the quarter, up 13% versus the prior year period, driven by higher tokenization revenue, partially offset by modestly lower asset servicing revenue. On a sequential quarter basis, total revenue was up 29%. As Carlos mentioned, this was the second highest order for total revenue in the company's history. Total revenue for the first nine months of 2026 was $52.5 million, an increase of 15% versus the prior year period, and a record nine-month period for the company. Tokenization revenue was $11.5 million, an increase of 29% versus the prior year period, largely due to the integration of new protocol as well as higher distribution fees in the current period. Asset servicing revenue was $7.2 million, a decrease of 6% versus the prior year period, primarily driven by lower fund administration and accounting fees in the securitized fund services business, given the decline in assets under administration, partially upset by higher service fees in our transfer agent business, turning to expenses. Total operating costs and expenses were $42.2 million, an increase of $27.3 million, or 183%, predominantly driven by higher SG&A and higher compensation benefits, including expenses associated with the completion of our business combination. While I'll discuss each one in greater detail momentarily, our total expenses this quarter included approximately $21 million of expenses, which we would generally consider to be non-recurring in nature. Car operating expenses, excluding these items, was approximately $21 million. Cost of revenue in the third quarter was $4.5 million, an increase of $1 million, or 29%, primarily due to higher software, systems, and market data costs, and higher cost of revenue generating employees and contractors. As mentioned last quarter, cost of revenue consists largely of direct labor in our blockchain engineering and integration divisions, fund accounting and client-facing personnel, and capitalized software amortization. SG&A expenses were $20.8 million, an increase of $14.1 million versus the prior year period. The increase was primarily driven by share-based expenses related to warrant obligations, higher legal, accounting, and consulting fees, including costs associated with operating as a public company, higher advertising, promotion, and public relations costs, and higher insurance costs. These were partially upset by lower software and subscription expenses in the quarter. Compensation and benefits were $16.5 million, an increase of $12 million versus the prior year period. The increase was primarily driven by higher share-based compensation expense, including $5.3 million of non-cash ERNAP-related expenses in connection with the closing of the business combination. And higher headcount, including the hiring of corporate roles necessary to becoming a public company. Provision for credit losses was approximately $300,000 versus approximately $100,000 the prior year period. Turning to non-operating income and expenses in the third quarter. Total other expense net was $42.6 million, driven by two notable items related to the business combination, partially upset by higher dividend income. Looking at these two notable non-operating items, they combined for $43.9 million of expenses in the quarter. Before I get into the specifics of each, I'd importantly stress that both of these expenses were non-cash charges. First, we recognized a $20.6 million loss associated with the settlement of convertible instruments. This was a one-time, non-cash charge from converting our pre-closing convertible nodes, saves, and preferred stock option into equity at the close of the transaction, reflecting the difference between the value of the shares issued and the carrying value of those instruments. Given that this was related to finalizing the business combination, we do not anticipate any impact for these instruments in future periods. Additionally, we recognized a $23.2 million charge for the change in fair value of earn-out liabilities. If you recall, both securitized and sponsored earn-out shares were granted as part of the business combination. Given that Sexy share price at September 30, 2026 was $14.59 versus $11.78 at the time of closing, accounting rules required us to recognize a corresponding expense. We'd note that this line item will fluctuate quarterly as it's entirely non-cash. For example, if our share price at the year end were at today's level, we would expect to record a meaningful non-cash gain in the fourth quarter. Separately, with other non-operating income and expenses, dividend income was $2 million, driven by the higher average balance of dividend-bearing investments, reflecting the investment of cash received in connection with the business combination. However, given our intention to strategically leverage our balance sheet in a dynamic way, we would caution against assuming that we will generate this type of dividend income on a quarterly basis going forward. Looking at adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $2 million, compared to negative $5.5 million in the prior quarter, representing a sequential improvement of $3.5 million. Compared to positive adjusted EBITDA of $3.6 million in the prior year period, this represents a decrease of $5.6 million, driven by higher compensation and benefits, as we continue to scale the business, higher SG&A expenses, including professional and consulting costs associated with becoming a public company, partially upset by the higher total revenue. For the third quarter of 2026, Securitize reported a gap net loss of $66.3 million compared to net income of $4 million in the prior year period, a decrease of $70.3 million. The higher year-over-year net loss was driven by higher expenses, including headcount growth to support the expansion of our business and prepare for being a publicly traded company, and stock-based compensation. Along with non-recurring costs associated with the company's business combination. The higher net loss also reflected losses on convertible instruments and change in fair value of earn-out liabilities, both of which were related to the closing of our business combination in July 2026. Net loss per diluted share in the third quarter was 41 cents. I would note that given the accounting rules around share count as a private company, there's no real meaningful earnings per share comparison to the prior year period to highlight. Again, I think it's important to put our results into context. While our reported GAAP net loss appears significant, approximately 90% of it, or roughly $60 million, was attributable to charges that were mostly non-cash in nature, including those associated with closing the business combination and the warrant-related expenses. From a capital and balance sheet perspective, Securitize remains in a very strong position with roughly $300 million in net cash and liquid securities on our balance sheet, with zero debt, a little bit less than $2 in net cash per share as of September 30, 2026. We will continue to leverage this balance sheet strength to grow our businesses, both organically and inorganically, so we'll be disciplined around financial returns for this investment. And as you likely saw in our press release, our board of directors has approved a share repurchase program to repurchase up to $50 million of our common shares through the end of 2027. Given the volatility in our shares since being a public company, this authorization provides us the flexibility to be opportunistic when we see significant market dislocations. This is just another tool in the toolkit that our strong balance sheet allows us to pursue. Now, before I turn to our outlook for 2026, I wanted to cover one small housekeeping item. As it pertains to the river acquisition that Carlos discussed, we're not disclosing financial terms for that transaction today. So, as a note, the deal was attractive to us from both a strategic and financial point of view. We also do not expect the acquisition to have a material financial impact on our fourth quarter 2026 results. Now, on to our financial outlook for the full year 2026. We're quite pleased with the strong third quarter and the momentum we're seeing in our businesses. However, as previously discussed, the timing of revenue recognition for certain tokenization initiatives and on-chain integrations is influenced by project milestones and execution schedules, which can result in some variability between quarters. As a result, we continue to expect total revenue to be in a range of $70 to $80 million for the full year 2026. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect improved poor operating results, supported by continued revenue momentum and disciplined cost management, as we move beyond the significant transaction-related impacts of the business combination in Q3. So I'll just wrap up my prepared remarks by saying how proud I am of our team and the financial results for our initial quarter as a public company. We posted the second-best revenue quarter in our history to date, and while there was some expected expense noise in the quarter from the closing of our business combination, we managed the business tightly and saw a modest $2 million adjusted EBITDA loss, significantly improving from previous quarter. We remain extremely excited about the opportunities ahead and our balance sheet strength with approximately $300 million of cash on hand. Positions securitize well to capitalize on what we still see as the infancy of the secular trend towards tokenization. And with that, we'd be happy to take your questions. Operator, please go ahead and open the line for Q&A.

Operator

We will now move to our question and answer session. If you have joined via the webinar, please use the raise hand icon, which can be found at the bottom of your webinar application. When you are called on, please unmute your line and ask your question. We kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. We will now pause a moment to assemble the queue. Your first question comes from Devin Ryan with Citizens. Devin, please unmute and ask your question.

Devin Ryan Analyst — Citizens

Great. Hi, Carlos. Hi, Francisco, and Sam as well. How are you?

Yeah, good seeing you.

Devin Ryan Analyst — Citizens

Good to see you. A question on tokenized equities. Obviously, I think a lot of us are tracking some of the public companies that have opted out of the OKEx ICE tokenization pilot. I think that's also creating some confusion in the market around what the objections actually mean for kind of the broader tokenized equities market. And so I'm curious from your perspective, your issuer is rejecting tokenization itself? Are they just uncomfortable right now with this unaffiliated third party creating a tokenized version of their shares without? The issuer and transfer agent being directly involved. And so I'm curious kind of what you're hearing from conversations. And then ultimately, the question is, does that push the market maybe more towards securitizers, more issuer-led model? And what do you think issuers would need to see before they become more comfortable participating directly?

Thank you, Ryan. Definitely all these offshore synthetics, the 10 different varieties, is creating a lot of confusion for issuers, and you might have seen how some very public CEOs like the AMCCO, they've been complaining about their shares being tokenized offshore without following U.S. regulations. And I think that has created also a confusion when the OKEx ISTSB sent the notification to issuers, which was just like sending a notification to the headquarter. And in some cases, we've talked to some issuers. They don't even know who actually received the tokenization. And I've talked to the head of Digital Assets. Two of the issuers that opt out, and they didn't even know who was the person opting out. I think that first we need to clarify that for what we do, because we're fully regulated, we don't require any opt-out from the issuers. This is strictly for the TSB because of the exemption situation from the SEC. I think that what is allowing this is we obviously have reached out to many of the issuers that have opt-out and as well as discussed with others And has allowed us to actually have a conversation with them to be able to explain them between the different models, the offshore synthetics, the fully regulated U.S. base, the issue of sponsor versus organizing their entitlements, as well as what the TSB is. So this allows us to have these conversations that otherwise would have been hard to have. So we still continue being very bullish about it. Innovations don't always start with incumbents on industry, so personally, I don't know if going to the largest, most known companies in the world as the first step was kind of like the right decision, but we're very pleased to see, and you will see when the announcement of the final launch of the OKXIS TSV comes in the coming days, that there's been a lot of other issuers that have positively approved for them to be tokenized and listed on the TSV, And I think we're going to have enough volume, both in our regulated platform that, as I mentioned, does not require issuer opt-out, as well as on the OKEx ISTSB. And then remember that in Q4, also the New York Stock Exchange is launching the digital ATS. And that's going to be another opportunity to talk to issuers, to explain them about another regulated venue coming from the largest stock exchange in the world, etc. So we just think that this is unfortunately part of it. All the noise in the industry about the different tokenization models that we need to live with. But overall, we don't think that this is a problem long term on moving into tokenized markets and insurers accepting to tokenize their shares. Because as I mentioned many times, there is no publicly company CEO that doesn't want to reach out more investors, have better liquidity, or be able to identify and communicate and engage with their investors in a more direct way. So once you manage to explain those advantages, as well as why there's regulated venues and not regulated venues and the difference between that, I think that that's when you start getting traction with them.

Thank you. This is Brad Redford, and I just wanted to add one thing. So, Devin, great question. Tokenization and TSVs are two different things. Just to put a fine point on what Carla said, if somebody opts out of a TSV, it does not mean they are opting out of tokenization. You know, one is tokenization is the form in which the security is offered. The other one is sort of an innovative new market type. So as you will see with all of these issuer opt-outs, we continue to launch tokenized stocks on a regulated platform, and we will continue to do so. That's just a very different thing than opting out of a TSV.

Devin Ryan Analyst — Citizens

Thank you. I appreciate all that color. It's a question we get, and I think just getting some deeper context there is helpful. Just as a follow-up, can you talk a little bit more about the pipeline of potential either new partners or new products on the asset management side and just how that's been progressing? Obviously, you know, see the progress with BlackRock and Neuberger and others where, you know, it seems like you have partners that are finding product market fit. And so if you can give us any sense of how that's maybe igniting new conversations, is there anything that also is connected, you're kind of watching for on the regulatory side that could drive more of an unlock with the asset management partners, Where you feel like either regulatory-wise or some type of capability that will bring more of them into the mix as they see some of the larger firms having success with some of your, you know, obviously what you've done with them on the tokenization side.

So without being able to disclose any specific names, what I can tell you, Ryan, is that I've been doing this for a long time, is that the last, you know, 12, 18 months, the amount of inbounds that we're getting from large asset managers, as well as large banks that some of them have asset management, you know, franchises about, you know, figuring out what, how to get into tokenization space and tokenize some of their assets. It's the highest I've ever seen in the industry since I've been doing this for close to nine years now. So it's very positive. Those projects take time, you know, with BlackRock, and I've mentioned that probably many times. It took almost a year from, you know, the first conversations till the product actually launched. And when we engage with these very large organizations, in many instances, they have to go through internal kind of like procurement process, if you want, with an RFP that is very formal, that they invite, you know, dozens of companies to bid for the projects, et cetera. But we're very positive that we're going to continue seeing Securitas dominating on the, if you want, tier one asset management space, which I think is where we have our strength because of our regulated capabilities, as you mentioned, and also because of the credibility that we have as a regulated entity by having worked already with, you know, some of the largest asset managers in the world. So conversions take time, the process of, you know, being chosen for the tokenization partner. And launching products. It's an enterprise-style type process that takes time, but we're very positive about the space. You will continue seeing some further announcements in Q4 and into Q1 with some names that you will recognize very well.

And this is Brett again, Devin. Just to address the part about the regulatory unlock, like we remain in the most favorable regulatory environment we've ever seen in terms of what can be done with tokenization and products on the blockchain. Even with the elections, we are in a world where people see that, people are building towards it, and that regulatory unlock continues unabated.

Devin Ryan Analyst — Citizens

Great. Well, I'd love to sit here and keep asking questions. There's a lot to talk about, but I appreciate it, guys, and I'll hop back in the queue and pass it along.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Gareth Cassetta with Cantor. Gareth, please unmute and ask your question.

Gareth Gassetta Analyst — Cantor

Hey, guys, thanks for taking the question. Maybe just double clicking on the last one and kind of the new fund launches you guys talked about. I'm wondering if you could detail the difference in economic profile that comes with the different types of roles you guys are playing, maybe using the new BlackRock fund and ARKVX as an example. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think on BlackRock, you guys are the transfer agent, and the token is actually the fund's share itself. And then on ARKVX, the token is an entitlement to shares that Securitize Markets holds as a broker-dealer. So could you just maybe walk through at a high level which one of those ends up contributing more to the Securitize top line? And then if there are any other types of involvement structures that you might have with other funds on the platform.

Yeah, actually, we can use the three funds that we launched this quarter to kind of illustrate the three different models on the V Reserve. As you mentioned, this is a BlackRock managed fund. It has been created specifically to be on chains and tokenized, and we are their transfer agent and tokenization platform, so we manage the shares of the fund, and as such, we take BIS as a service provider, which is a percentage of the BIS that the asset manager charge. So I would say this is like, you know, model number one in the with BlackRock as well for video, for instance, we also have distribution piece because we act as a property as a distributor as well. Which we're working to be for Beer Reserve as well. On the second model, which is the product that we launched with Neuberger, this is a fund that Securitize Capital, our registered investor advisor, manages, where, you know, we take all the fees that are on the fund, and you can see them in our presentation, and then the actual underlines of the fund are managed by Neuberger, so it's a sub-advisor to the fund, so we then share fees back to them, so that's also the fees that we actually get on that fund. And the third model, which is the ARK VX with ARK Invest, this is an existing fund where we have just basically issued an entitlement against shares that we're keeping in custody. And then there, where the value accrues for us is on the distribution portion of it. Not that much on the asset servicing side.

Gareth Gassetta Analyst — Cantor

That's really helpful, Collar. Thank you. And then maybe just a higher level one on the RiverOne acquisition. Maybe just, like, can you walk us through the deal from start to finish on who the actual borrower is, what the collateral is, and where the stablecoin capital might come from, and just the overall business model of RiverOne?

So, as we mentioned in the presentation, there is $320 billion in stablecoins out there. If you look at how much of those are being lent out to earn a yield, it's around 10%, which is the stablecoins that are lent out on DeFi markets. The actual yields that you're getting there are pretty low. Surprisingly, you can go to ABE and other places to see it. Some stablecoins have high yield because they're subsidized, but if you're an individual user holding stablecoins and you lend them out on markets, you're not going to get a very high yield. It could be 3%, 4%, flip to 8%, depending on where crypto lending is. And then when you do that, you're actually basically... You know, taking protocol risk because you're lending into a DeFi market, you're also taking collateral risk because most of the collaterals on those markets tend to be other digital assets that, you know, they're volatile or also in some cases, as it has happened in the past, they're subject to hacks. So we think that there is an opportunity to basically enable stablecoin issuer, stablecoin holders. To be able to kind of lend assets into, you know, better lending markets that are built out with a similar kind of, you know, structure. It's all controlled and managed on chain, but against, you know, real world assets that are, you know, used as collateral. And then what those real assets are, you know, we've listed some in our presentation, but this could be fintechs, mobility, telecom, payment lenders, et cetera, that have assets that they need to borrow against them. So the way it works is that the RiverOne team has an AI underwriting platform that they use to underwrite the creditness of the lender. Then with that, we can create on-chain pools to be able to borrow from stablecoins. And then they have all like a full, you know, on-chain management facility for how the credits are managed and the loans. And then on top of that, we can tokenize the loans from the LPs. So the flow is very simple. So we are approaching on one side, you know, a stable coin, either issuers or holders to be able to borrow from them. And then we're approaching people that need to borrow from. Let's say companies that are doing, you know. They do mortgagees, or they do deluxe, or they buy fleets, or things like that, where they need to actually borrow from somebody, and today they're borrowing from traditional finance, which is expensive and inefficient, so they can then borrow from stable coins and probably get a better interest rate, as well as a much more streamlined process where they can actually fund the deal faster and do it into idea, even in some cases, without having to go through a very lengthy manual process. And that also results in efficiencies in how you manage those loans that, you know, create better interest rates. So we're very excited about it. This is a very emerging space in the industry. I think FIGURE is probably the only company doing a little bit of that within themselves for their HELOC products. But as a broader space, it's very unexplored, we believe. I think it's $3 billion or something that are on-chain today from asset-back finance. And if you see how big is the industry, it's a $6 trillion industry that is going to grow to $9 trillion. And then because we there take the interest margin, which is the spread between the borough and the land, the monetization opportunities are much higher than just simple originating or distributing assets. So I think that this is from a tech rate perspective, this is going to be, you know, a higher business for us once we get it to scale.

Gareth Gassetta Analyst — Cantor

Awesome. That's really great color, and thanks for the questions, and congrats on good quarter.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Sinatra Shah with Rosenblatt Securities. Please unmute your line and ask your question.

Sinatra Shah Analyst — Rosenblatt Securities

Hi, Carlos, Francisco, and Sam. Thank you for taking the question and congrats on the quarter. Could you just spend some time talking about the revenue model for the various venues that are coming up, like the OKX, TSV venue, and the NYC ATS, and how that's going to affect the economics for the products you're offering?

So, the OK Excise TSB. We expected it to launch, you know, pretty soon. I don't want to disclose dates that have not been disclosed by them, but as we put on the deck, it is imminent. There, you know, we are the provider of the tokens that will trade there. These will be some issuer sponsored tokens as well as convertible entitlement tokens. And then we have an arrangement with them to share trading fees that we have not disclosed, but that's essentially based on volume. On the New York Stock Exchange ATS, we play two roles as well. One is, you know, we are one of the transfer agents, the first one that was chosen to be able to supply tokens that will trade on their ATS. And from that perspective, we are one of the broker dealers that will connect to the ATS. So this ATS doesn't take retail flow directly. And so to the ATS, it only broker-dealers connect, and the broker-dealers bring the retail flow. So as a broker-dealer bringing retail flow, we'll be able to take commissions on trading from the retail people trading, not from the New York Stock Exchange ATS. So overall, both, you should think of it as trading volume being probably the main driver. Same for the stocks that we're trading today in Solana with Jam as the main source of revenue growth. But then we're also working, as you might have seen, on enabling other interesting opportunities with lending of equities, tokenized equities, which is something that today is very hard to do for retail people. Like, if you have... If you're an equity or a broker dealer, you can take margin to trade more, but you cannot just borrow to buy a house or buy a car. And if you, this is for the high, ultra high network is available, but not for everybody. So we think that lending markets are also going to be another interesting monetization opportunity for us there.

Sinatra Shah Analyst — Rosenblatt Securities

Awesome. And for the Socios.com sports team ownership. Is that very similar to the fund admin business? Is that where it would show up? Is that the same revenue model?

No, no, it's completely different. On that partnership, basically, we are going to be the regulated entity, basically distributing and eventually trading those tokens that represent equity. So we will have distribution fees, which we will share back with Socied.com because they're bringing the flow of the retail people that they already have on their platform for the fund engagement tokens. And then once those tokens also become liquid and they can trade, we have a fully, you know, regulated, you know. We have a tokenized securities venue in Europe that we can trade. I say Europe because we're going to start in Europe where these things are easier than in the US. In the US, there's a lot more regulations around retail ownership of professional sports teams, but in Europe, this is a lot more common. So the drive was that we are a fully regulated entity in Europe, and we can actually help them leverage their retail base to move into tokens that represent equity, which is regulated, as you know. So there will be distribution fees and trading fees. It will not be asset servicing. Asset servicing is more for like funds and things like that, that we manage as a transfer agent or a fund admin. When it comes to equity, the revenue opportunities are distribution and trading. It will happen with stocks as well.

Sinatra Shah Analyst — Rosenblatt Securities

Awesome. Thank you for taking the question and congrats on the quarter again.

Operator

Thanks, Sid. Your next question comes from the line of John Todaro with Needlehem and Company. Apologies for that. John, please unmute and ask your question.

John Todaro Analyst — Needlehem and Company

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on the progress this quarter and the good results. I have a broad one and then a little bit more in the weeds one just kind of related to modeling. But on the broader side, a number of different product segments you guys are launching now, where do you see kind of it evolving, maybe the near-term most impact and then maybe medium or longer-term most impact on the tokenization side benefiting the platform? Is it single-name stocks? Is it some of the funds that you found success in? Just help kind of frame that landscape up for us, and then I have that follow-up modeling question.

Thank you. Well, we, on the fund side, we, this is our bread and butter is where the majority of our revenue today comes. And we definitely continue seeing big opportunities. We just launched, you know, three funds this quarter. So we see those contributing significantly to future growth. I think ARK is more about distribution and giving retail access to this product that is otherwise, you know, hard to invest. And we're going to be looking at potential trading opportunities in the future with them. Then on the Neuberger fund, it's more about people that want to use it as collateral for DeFi because it's a good source of collateral. It's a high-quality asset. It was yielding at above 7%, so you can borrow at a cheaper rate against it to either leverage it or create another trading strategy, etc. So we see the driver as those integrations that we have started doing in P3 for growth. And then B-Reserve is very specific for stablecoins. So as stablecoins start proliferating, and unfortunately, the last quarters of stablecoins have been flooding a little bit, but we're still very bullish on the stablecoin space. And we think that more people now, especially with Genius, becoming effective in Q1 next year, more companies will want to launch stablecoins, and many of them will want to actually have the reserve in tokenized form to be on-chain as well and provide visibility about the reserves. And then we see the growth coming from capturing that stablecoin reserve market. Now, on the equity side, I think it is very early days, as we've shown in the presentation. There is very little, you know, equities on chain. Most of them are still synthetics. Volumes are also very, very small. But we're very bullish as a long-term opportunity because we think that, you know, a very small percentage of growth and volume could actually provide significant, you know, fee opportunities for us. So you're going to see us continue making progress in Q4 in two directions. First one is continue bringing more names. Second, supporting new venues where our stocks can trade. If our stocks are the most liquid and the best price in the market, they will be the winning ones, we believe, and the most regulated. So we'll be supporting a lot of New York Stock Exchange at the OKExa TSV, but also, you know, enabling retail integrations with, you know. Apps that can actually send retail flow to trade those stocks. We're not a retail B2C company. We're not a retail company. We're a B2B2C. So we're more of an infrastructure provider. We want to provide this trading infrastructure for other people to enable their customers to trade stocks on chain. So those are the direction of travel. So I think that in Q4, you will still see a fund organization being the main source of revenue for our company. But we hope that, you know, Q1 onwards, tokenized stocks start taking off and start becoming a significant portion of our future revenue.

John Todaro Analyst — Needlehem and Company

That's great. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. And then just on maybe SG&A spend, I know you're not going to comment on some of the RiverOne financials, but just as that integration goes through, what is a good kind of run rate or framing for SG&A that we should be thinking about?

Hi, John. Thank you. Thanks for asking me a question. I was starting to feel bored here. So, as we mentioned, Q3 was affected by some of the business combination expenses, so it's good to normalize the view. If we take a look at SG&A, we recognize expenses associated with the warrant expense, as well as some transaction-related expenses. These are roughly $13.4 million that need to be adjusted. If we make the adjustment to normalize the number, we end up with roughly $4.5 million, which could be seen as a wrong rate, as most of the expenses are skewed towards the fixed side of the type of expenses. You didn't ask, but I think it's also important to normalize compensation and benefit expenses. In that case, we also saw some entries that were related to the compensation of share base associated with the business combination. If we also normalize that number, we end up with roughly $9.5 million. It is also a good reference going forward. Just bear in mind that we will continue to increase headcount, probably not at a high pace, but we will continue making our field hires towards the end of the year to support the growth of the business. But if you factor that part in, it could be a good baseline for the run rate.

John Todaro Analyst — Needlehem and Company

Understood. Thank you. Appreciate it, gentlemen.

Keep in mind, we are in an industry that is exploding. So I think that we need to keep a balance between, you know, try to stay close to profitability as we did this quarter, but without losing, you know, growth opportunities. There's a lot of stuff out there. As I mentioned, in one of the early fall, some of these projects are very intense. If you got to go through an RFP with a very large bank, let's take resources, and these are things that, you know, don't monetize until later, but if you don't participate and you miss winning those projects, then you're not going to be there when it launches. So I think that it's important that we continue investing in the space and we don't miss growth opportunities in the future. And as Francisco mentioned, our balance sheet is super large compared to the cash that we're consuming. So I think we can afford, you know, continue investing in the future of the business.

Operator

We will now take our final question from the line of Pete Christensen with Citi. Pete, please unmute and ask your question.

Pete Christensen Analyst — Citi

Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. A couple questions here. First, and maybe you can help reconcile this a little bit for us in the way of thinking maybe like a scenario over the next couple of quarters, but the relationship between tokenized AUM, also transaction growth versus tokenization revenue. I'm just curious, like, how should we be thinking about that and the scenarios there underlying that, especially if we think about, I guess, tokenized revenue yield, I guess, as a percentage of AUM? Does that skew? Differently over the next couple of quarters, months with equities or some other projects or pipeline items that you're considering?

I can take a first stab.

Thanks, Pete. So as we mentioned before, tokenization revenue is still pretty much driven by the integration of protocols. Still, this portion represents the majority of the revenue, but we're pleased to say that AUM-based and transaction-based revenues are starting to pick up. I will say that this quarter is still not meaningful, but it's trending in the right direction. Going forward, as Carlos already mentioned, we do believe that tokenization of equities will bring additional transactional revenue, but I see the integration of blockchains and protocols still to drive most of the results under this category, at least going through next year. Going forward, we believe that the combination of a faster pace in the growth of the other revenue streams, such as AUM-based and transactional-based, will surpass the on-chain integration revenue, and in the medium and long term, will become the main driver of our revenue in general.

On the AUM side as well, it's not linear. I think we've explained this before, but it's worth going over again. The AUM growth or decline, because it's not stable, it fluctuates over quarters, it doesn't directly correlate linearly with revenue, because it depends on the AUM composition. We have some products that are bigger, that fluctuate more, like, let's say, you know, press release or beetle that have a lower take rate, and we have other products that are smaller, but that, you know, we monetize more, so you might see that revenue goes up, AUM goes up, but revenue doesn't go up the same amount, but you can also see that AUM sometimes, you know, declines a little bit, and it's still revenue, you know, continue growing. It's not a straight line, one or the other, because it depends on the composition of the AUM, because as we mentioned in the other question that we were asked before, depending on how the product is being served by us, we monetize more or less, and also depending on the fees of the product itself. And some products like Treasuries have lower fees, and some other products like, let's say, income products or credit have much higher fees. So it's not a correlated line. I think you could build a model because you can go to all the perspectives of the different funds and you can reverse engineer that if you wanted to. I'm not going to do your job, but there's a model that you could be built based on there. Now, on the transaction side. As we mentioned, we put it as an indication of the health of the platform because we believe that if the platform is a soul, like some platforms out there where there's somebody investing and nothing happening, then you should suspect that maybe that is not an organic. You said your adoption of the product, because people move money in and out depending on market conditions, depending on what they're doing with it, etc. So we think that it's a healthy metric to track how much influence and outflows and other transactions that happen in the platform. We are not monetizing that today, except for a very, very small percentage. But as things like equities take off, where transaction, as I mentioned before, is going to be one of the main metrics of how we monetize. And as we start to enable, you know, bringing retail flow, launch other trading venues, etc., that will become more meaningful and be monetized in the future.

Pete Christensen Analyst — Citi

No, that's helpful. That's a good suggestion, too. I think we're going to have to track these things individually. But no, that's super helpful. I think the RiverOne acquisition is super interesting. I'm trying to understand it a little bit, you know, as an enabler versus an adjacency, that kind of thing. But I guess it kind of comes down to, you know, why did you need to acquire them? Why not just partner with an existing private credit manager, that kind of thing? Like what, having RiverOne in-house, you know, what does that enable you to do to really get this specific use case, this specific market opportunity going?

So we already partner with private credit companies and we distribute private credit products. The reason to acquire RiverOne, which is an originator, is precisely to move up in the value chain, if you want, from a monetization perspective, because that part of the business, it's much more profitable, if you want, or more higher tech rate than just the pure, let's say, asset servicing of tokenization of an actual, you know. I create business which is something that we were already doing it. So, and the reason to acquire the platform is because it's very hard to find. The combination of skills between, you know, there's two of the founders that have done more than 25 years in asset-backed finance, but are very tech and crypto forward, and also, you know, Simon, the other founder, which has been, you know, doing on-chain infrastructure for stablecoin platforms, has worked on the Sky Protocol and some of the stars like OBEX, etc. And they have already the full platform built. They have the skills, they have the tech, the AI and the writing, etc. So yes, we have built that, but it was going to take us, you know, 18 to 24 months. At the same time for them, being now part of Securitize, it gives them an opportunity to become, you know, more part of a larger, more institutional platform that will allow them to scale their business much faster than if they had to go and try to convince, you know, people to lend them money or people to borrow from them. them, which being an early stage startup, it's more challenging, right, from a credibility perspective. So I think it's a good mix for both. For them, we give them a platform to scale their business much faster. For us, it gives us an adjacency, as you said at the beginning, in getting into another portion of the value chain that we didn't participate before that we believe long-term will be higher revenue and more profitability.

Pete Christensen Analyst — Citi

But do you think this is like an example, like you're almost coaching the market on what on-chain lending, downstream, what have you, is going to look like in the future? You're almost an example in this sense. I mean, do you see potentially other credit shops mimicking this type of model at some point?

Well, so once we have this infrastructure, because we'll be able to borrow and manage and chain, you know, loans from stablecoin holders and providers, we hope that other credit platforms come to us, right? This is a, it's a platform, right? So we're not going to be either the ones providing the loans, not doing the lending only. So we still think of this more as a marketplace in between. So as I mentioned, this is very, you know, early days, there's very few people doing this. But I think that given the scale of the stablecoin economy, I think it's right for this type of approach to come now. Like we have programmable money, but we don't have programmable credit. It makes no sense, right? So I think, you know, we're going to be the ones hopefully bridging the gap between programmable money, which is stablecoins with programmable credit and how you can then manage those, you know, those loans and the lenders in a much more efficient way. Using blockchain infrastructure.

Pete Christensen Analyst — Citi

Interesting thesis. Thanks for your thoughtful answers.

Operator

There are no more questions. At this time, I'd now like to turn the call over to Sam Ross, Head of Investor Relations, for closing remarks.

Sam Ross Head of Investor Relations

Great. Well, if there's no further questions, thanks for joining this evening's call, and we look forward to speaking with you all again soon.

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