Good morning, and welcome to UMH Properties' fourth quarter and year-end 2024 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. Please note this event is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Craig Koster, Executive Vice President and General Counsel. Thank you, Mr. Koster. You may begin.

Craig Koster Thank you very much, Operator. In addition to the 10-K that we filed with the SEC yesterday, we have filed an unaudited fourth quarter and year-end supplemental information presentation. This supplemental information presentation, along with our 10K, are available on the company's website at umh.read. We would like to remind everyone that certain statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts, may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The forward-looking statements that we make on this call are based on our current expectations and involve various risks and uncertainties. Although the company believes the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, the company can provide no assurance that its expectations will be achieved. The risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in the company's fourth quarter and year-end 2024 earnings release and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company disclaims any obligation to update its forward-looking statements. In addition, during today's call, we will be discussing non-GAAP financial metrics. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial metrics to the comparable GAAP financial metrics, as well as the explanatory and cautioning language, are included in our earnings release, our supplemental information, and our historical SEC filings. Having said that, I would like to introduce management with us today. Eugene Landy, Founder and Chairman, Samuel Landy, President and Chief Executive Officer, Anna Chiu, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Brett Taft, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Jim Likens, Vice President of Capital Markets, and Daniel Landy, Executive Vice President. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to UMH's President and Chief Executive Officer, Samuel Landy.

Thank you very much, Craig. Greg, UMH is pleased to deliver another quarter and year of increased FFO per share, double-digit community NOI growth, and a new all-time high sales record. Normalized FFO for the quarter was $0.24 per share as compared to $0.23 per share last year, representing an increase of 4%. Normalized FFO for the year was $0.93 per share as compared to $0.86 last year, representing an increase of 8%. We are very proud of these results, and we look forward to delivering another great year on all fronts in 2025 and beyond. We have opportunistically raised equity at prices at or near our 52-week high. This capital will be invested accretively into our platform. UMH has a long-term value-add business plan. Our past work generates our current income, and FFO does not fully reflect the tremendous effort we are putting into our future results. Our approximately 2,400 acres of vacant land, 3,300 vacant sites, 500 new homes in inventory, in various stages of setup, with an additional 200 on the way, are all part of our efforts to generate future income and ensure that we have sites available to continue our income and earnings growth. We are balancing growth with earnings accretion and have been successfully delivering on both fronts. At any given time, UMH has $100 million or more invested that is not yet producing accretive returns. Our results are strong, but we continue to work to achieve even better results. Additionally, we have opportunistically tapped the equity market through our common ATM and raised a substantial amount of capital that has not yet been invested. As the capital raised is invested in new acquisitions, rental homes, and expansions, our earnings per share should continue to grow. Our same property operating results continue to grow. Our value-add strategy allows us to drive substantial improvements in occupancy, revenue, and value over time. Not only are our operating results strong, but our business plan accomplishes an important social mission of upgrading and adding to the current supply of affordable housing. In the fourth quarter, same property income increased by 8%, and same property NOI increased by 8%. Same property income for the year increased by 9%, and same property NOI increased by $11.5 million, resulting in an increase of 10%. These increases were driven by an increase in occupancy of 216 units, resulting in an increase of 70 basis points. In 2025, we anticipate similar, if not improved, same property operating results. We anticipate further occupancy growth as we rent and sell our in-place inventory and more aggressively procure homes throughout the year. Additionally, we anticipate continuing to achieve our 5% rent increases throughout the portfolio. Our rental home program had another good year. We added 565 homes to our portfolio. We now own 10,300 rental homes, of which 94% are currently occupied. Our annual rental home turnover is only approximately 20%. Our repairs and maintenance expenses per home were approximately $400 per home per year. We anticipate adding another 800 homes or more in 2025. We are proud that our sales division broke our all-time sales record for the third consecutive year. Gross sales this year were $33.5 million as compared to $31.2 million last year, representing an increase of 8%. We sold 258 used homes at an average price of $50,000 and 136 new homes at an average price of $151,000. Our gross sales margin for the year was 35%. We financed approximately 59% of our home sales. We now have $89.2 million in loans at an average rate of 7%. Our sales division has the opportunity to grow further as we have several high-end expansions that opened in the second half of 2024 or are scheduled to open in the first half of 2025. Also, we are hopeful that the new administration will revise the financing laws so that we can get more potential buyers approved for financing. This could convert existing renters that have a strong payment history to homeowners. That development could create a meaningful increase in our home sales. We are optimistic that we will be active in the acquisition market in 2025. We anticipate that this prolonged high interest rate environment may result in communities being available at more reasonable prices in 2025. We are well positioned to execute on these opportunities when they arise. Our acquisition pipeline has grown. We now have four communities under contract, which contain 457 sites, of which approximately 90% are occupied. The purchase price of these communities is $39.1 million, or $85,000 per site. The pipeline contains 191 sites in Maryland, which we anticipate closing in early 2025, and 266 sites in New Jersey. The blended cap rate on these communities is approximately 5.5%. We are optimistic that compelling acquisitions are becoming available. In 2024, we completed 190 expansion sites. As I mentioned above, these sites should allow us to further grow our sales results in 2025 and beyond. We anticipate obtaining approvals for 500 or more sites in 2025 and building 300 to 400 sites. Additionally, we expect to open Honey Ridge, a joint venture property which is a 113-site greenfield development community in Honeybrook, Pennsylvania in the second quarter of 2025. Greenfield developments and expansions take time to build and generate returns but greatly add to the long-term value of the company. UMH has a 56-year history in the manufactured housing industry. Our asset class is highly coveted, and our portfolio of communities is irreplaceable and valuable. Over the past 1, 5, and 10 years, UMH is the top-performing manufactured housing REIT. Our total shareholder return in 2024 was approximately 30%. Over five years, it's 51%, and over 10 years, it is 234%. We have a proven track record of executing our business plan. Since 2020, UMH has increased the dividend by approximately 19%. Our business plan has positioned us with 3,300 vacant sites and 2,400 acres of vacant land to continue our organic growth. growth. This organic growth should allow us to generate similar earnings growth and operating results for the years to come. Additionally, with our strong balance sheet, we are prepared to execute on compelling acquisitions as they become available. And now, Anna will provide you with greater detail on our results for the quarter.

Thank you, Sam. Normalized FFO, which excludes amortization and non-recurring items, was $19.2 million or $0.24 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2024 compared to $15.4 million or $0.23 per diluted share for 2023 resulting in a 4% per share increase. For the full year 2024, normalized FSO was $69.5 million or $0.93 per diluted share compared to $54.5 million, or $0.86 per diluted share for 2023, resulting in an 8% per share increase. We were able to obtain this increase in normalized FFO despite our operating results being impacted by our investments in growing the company through value-add acquisitions and developments and increasing expenses due to inflation. Rental and related income for the quarter was $53.3 million compared to $49.2 million a year ago, representing an increase of 8%. For the full year, rental and related income increased from $189.7 million in 2023 to $207 million in 2024, an increase of 9%. This increase was primarily due to the increases in rental rates, same property occupancy, and additional rental homes. Community operating expenses increased 8% during the quarter and 7% for the year. This increase was mainly due to increases in payroll and payroll costs, real estate taxes, insurance, professional fees, waste removal, water expenses, and sewer expenses. Despite the increase in community operating expenses, community NOI increased by 8% for the quarter, from $28.7 million in 2023 to $31.1 million in 2024, and increased by 10% for the full year, from $108.4 million in 2023 to $119.7 million in 2024. Our same property results continue to meet our expectations. Same property income increased by 8% for the quarter and 9% for the year, generating same property NOI growth of 8% for the quarter and 10% for the year. From a liquidity standpoint, we ended the year with $99.7 million in cash-in-cash equivalents and $260 million available on our credit facility. We also had $138 million available on our evolving lines of credit for the financing of home sales and the purchase of inventory, and $55 million available on our lines of credit secured by rental homes and rental home leases. As we turn to our capital structure, at year-end, we had approximately $615 million in debt, of which $486 million was community-level mortgage debt, $28 million was loans payable, and $101 million was our 4.72% Series A bonds. 99% of our total debt is six straight. The weighted average interest rate on our mortgage debt was 4.18% at year end compared to 4.17% at year end last year. The weighted average maturity on our mortgage debt was 4.4 years at year end and 5.3 years at year end last year. The weighted average interest rate on our short term borrowings was 6.54% as compared to 6.98% last year. In total, the weighted average interest rate on our total debt was slightly lower at 4.38% at year-end compared to 4.63% at year-end last year. As of year-end, we had 23 mortgages totaling $115.2 million due within the next 12 months, of which 10 mortgages totaling $45.9 million are due in the first and second quarters of 2025. We are in the process of refinancing these mortgages with Fannie Mae. We believe that proceeds from these refinancings will exceed their current balances. At year end, UMH had a total of $321 million in perpetual preferred equity. Our preferred stock, combined with an equity market capitalization of over $1.5 billion and our $615 million in debt results in total market capitalization of approximately $2.5 billion at year-end as compared to $2 billion last year, generating an increase of 23%. During the year, we issued and sold 12.5 million shares of common stocks through our common ATM programs, generating net proceeds of approximately $220.6 million. The company also received $10.2 million, including dividends reinvested through the DRIP. In addition, we issued and sold 1.2 million shares of our Series D preferred stock during 2024 through the preferred ATM program, generating net proceeds of approximately $28 million. dollars. Subsequent to year end, we issued 270,000 shares of common stock through our common ATM program, generating net proceeds of approximately 4.8 million dollars. In addition, we issued 49,000 shares of our Series D preferred stock through our preferred ATM program, generating net proceeds of approximately 1.1 million dollars. From a credit standpoint, we ended the year with net debt to total market capitalization of 20.8%, net debt less securities to total market capitalization of 19.5%, net debt to adjusted EBITDA of 4.5 times, and net debt less securities to adjusted EBITDA of 4.3 times. Interest coverage was 3.4 times, and fixed charge coverage was 2.2 times. Additionally, we had $31.9 million in our REIT Securities portfolio, all of which is unencumbered. The portfolio represents only approximately 1.6% of our undepreciated assets. We are committed to not increasing our investments in our REIT Securities portfolio and have, in fact, continued to sell certain positions. We are well positioned to continue to grow the company internally and externally and are introducing 2025 normalized FFL guidance in a range of $0.96 to $1.04 per share, or $1 per share at the midpoint.

And now, let me turn it over to Gene before we open it up for questions. we have a mission to provide the nation with high quality affordable housing we have made strides in executing this mission through the acquisition and rehabilitation of older communities the development of expansion sites and new communities and our financing of home sales we have the best quality affordable housing at our price point umh is a leader in the manufacturing housing industry. We have worked with MHI and our manufacturers to improve our product and provide housing solutions in both rural and urban settings. We have championed the duplex manufactured home, which allows us to increase density and provide affordable housing in more expensive markets. We have also worked with GAF to pilot a solar home, where solar shingles, shingles, unlike solar panels, are installed at the factory. This will ultimately reduce our tenant's monthly payment, thereby giving them more discretionary income. Installing shingles at the factory greatly reduces the cost. Additionally, we are working on obtaining long-term patient capital through our Opportunity Zone Fund and our joint venture with Nuveen. There are many opportunities available, but they take time to upgrade, develop, and fill. With the availability of long-term patient capital, we are able to continue to upgrade our existing communities while increasing the pace of development and value-add deals and growing UMH's future acquisition pipeline. Our country needs an affordable housing solution. We are working diligently to do more to help provide this housing and position manufactured housing as the preferred solution to the problem. We have done a lot over the past 56 years, but we have a lot more to do. With a strong balance sheet and growth opportunities, 2025 should be an exciting year for UMH.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star and then two. Our first question comes from Gaurav Mehta with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

I wanted to go back to your comments. I think you mentioned four acquisitions under contract. I wanted to get some more color on those acquisitions, how those acquisitions are sourced, and is there any value-add opportunity in those acquisitions?

Yeah, Brett Taft here. So, yeah, as you mentioned, we've got four communities under contract now. Previously, we had two communities under contract. So we've increased that pipeline by two communities, both located in New Jersey. Those communities contain 266 sites. They are 100% occupied. The purchase price on those is $24.6 million, or about $92,000 a site. Those two communities are obviously stabilized given the high occupancy rates. We do have some upside there in turning over a portion of the homes and increasing the rents to market because they are in New Jersey. Additionally, there's an opportunity for sales profits as we remove some of the older homes in those communities, which there's not too many. We'll also be able to increase our brokerage income there through reselling tenant homes. The two communities, the two additional communities are in Maryland. They're the same two communities we've had under contract for a while now. We've been working through some diligence matters with the seller. We believe we're close to the end of that process, and those should close in the second quarter. So these four communities, 39.2 million total, should close in the first half of the year. Things can change, and we'll see where we land, but we're happy to grow the pipeline. we're looking at a lot of additional opportunities and think we're going to find more deals that meet our growth criteria. You also mentioned value-add component. The only deal with a real value-add component there is one of the two Maryland properties. It's about 70 percent occupied. There's 45 vacant sites.

We'll implement our typical strategy, upgrading the community, paving the roads, making sure the infrastructure and the amenities are in place, and then we'll uh put our rental home program in and drive occupancy growth okay thank you second question i wanted to ask on the mortgage i think you're you're looking to refinance with uh fannie mae for mortgages coming due in first half of 25. just wanted to get some more color on what kind of interest rate should we expect on those refinancing well we are using fannie mae and we are in discussions with fannie mae as a matter of fact we're in the due diligence process in that respect based on the current interest rates we believe that we will be under six percent probably in the five and a half to five and three quarter range and we believe that the proceeds from it have is more than our current balances so we will be able to take additional capital out of those refinancings cam here i just want to mention when when we refinance these properties we get appraisal and the appraisals prove everything we always say uh you take every dollar we paid for a community every dollar we put into it and 10 years later they double in value add to that uh i looked at

one of the communities being refinanced where we had built a 10-lot expansion years ago but back then the expansion loss cost approximately fifty thousand dollars per lot and we were adding sales profit earning sales profits so that the net cost of those lots was you know significantly less than fifty thousand and today those lots of praise at a hundred two thousand dollars per lot okay last question i have is on gna just i wanted to get some more color was there any non-recurring items in the 4K GNA that you guys reported?

In the GNA, yes, it did increase for the fourth quarter. That was primarily due to additional bonuses that we accrued for because of our good operating results. Over the year, we record the amount that's based upon, again, current earnings and current operations. But at year end, what we do is we look at the whole picture and see how much we need. In total, I think G&A did go up about 8%, so therefore, we believe that that is probably the going rate into next year, around there anyway, 7% to 8%, depending, of course, on inflation and other things that we do.

Okay, thank you. That's all I had.

And the next question comes from Rob Stevenson with G&E.

Please go ahead. good morning guys um anna what are the big swing factors that cause you to report the high end versus the low end of your 2025 guidance range i will give that to jim jim i i would say the big two are home sales and acquisitions okay so at the top end you do more than the four that you guys have talked that brett talked about before um and then you know you'd also be doing more home sales than what you did in 2024?

Exactly. Okay. And just to add on the home sales comment, you know, over the past few years, we've invested a lot of money into our expansions, which are now opening. They're getting a lot of positive traction. And, you know, there's always a variable in the pace and the timing of sales. So we've got the opportunity in Maryland at Cinnamon Woods, I believe it's 60 lots, which we've just opened. Those should be highly profitable sales. The question is how many and how quickly do we gain traction? Holiday Village in Nashville, which two years ago we had a new expansion open. We sold 36 new homes, $5 million in volume. That was an exceptional year. It was so good that we ran out of lots. So that really wasn't totally reflected in the 2024 numbers, but the good news is we're opening a new phase right now with another 70 lots. So we've got the opportunity to substantially improve sales at that location. You know, you look at Duck River Estates down in Columbia, Tennessee, an outstanding location, only a few vacant lots right now, but we're in construction on another phase. That'll be, I believe it's 95 lots. So, you know, I could keep going down this list, but the point being, there's a lot of expansions opening. It's hard to exactly predict what sales are going to be. They could completely exceed our expectations, or, you know, it could be 10% growth over 2024.

I guess along those same lines, you've got still a significant occupancy upside at your five southernmost assets in Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. What type of monthly leasing velocity have you seen there, and how has that been trending over the last six months or so?

Yeah, we've been doing very well at those communities. I would say Alabama's probably got 40 vacant sites left to fill. we believe that at the first property down there, Deer Run, we expect those sites to be full this year. The second property that we opened in Alabama, we ran into some zoning and site plan issues. We're through those problems now and we're rapidly infilling that property. Over the last three months of the year, I believe we filled 20 units. But again, now we're at the point where we're bringing new inventory and getting it set up and have a few capital improvements we need to complete before we can really work on filling the rest of that property. South Carolina, the first asset we acquired is basically full. There's a few vacant sites, but it's really just rental home turnover. The second property, we're again working on infrastructure improvements so we can keep putting homes in. So I'd say demand and velocity is extremely strong. It's just a function of when can we complete these improvements? When can we get the homes? And ultimately, once we have the homes in place and set up their renting as rapidly as we can get them in.

Okay, that's helpful. And then you guys talked about adding 800 new rental homes in 2025 to the portfolio. What is the average price per rental home you're buying today? And how's that cost changing given the, you know, this elevated levels of inflation and changes to material and labor costs?

Yeah, prices have actually been relatively consistent over the last year. We're, you know, invoicing around 60 to 65 In some cases, less than that based on winter discounts, we've got $10,000 to $15,000 in setup. So, you know, we're in that $70,000 to $75,000 for your typical single wide rental home. In certain cases, we're renting multi-section homes. Those are on the books for probably about $90,000 a home, but they're generating higher rents. So that's where it's been. We were optimistic that home prices will not change too much. If you go back to, you know, the middle to end of COVID, prices have come down from there, so we're still well below that peak, and we are hopeful that it doesn't get up there again, but only time will tell.

Okay, and then the last one for me, how much more does it cost to put the solar shingles on one of these homes than traditional shingles that Gene was talking about?

This is absolutely amazing. To put a solar in a manufactured home in a park is over $25,000. And to put it in a factory when you build it is under $15,000. On top of that, it is simply amazing to see the process and that it takes less than 45 minutes to put a roof on a house. It's remarkable what we can do with the factory-built housing.

Does that number already include any type of federal or local rebates, et cetera? Is that net or is there benefits to you guys on top of that?

The roof is not going to be owned by UMH. In the beginning, a third-party company will own the roofing shingles. The tenant's utility bill is going to go down because of the solar roof, and UMH will be paid a small amount for use of the roof. But the big benefit is reducing the residents' monthly utility costs through solar. The second step of this, at some point, the technology is not there today, but at some point, the factory can install the battery. And they can install the battery at the factory at a lower cost than doing it anywhere else. And then they can install the car charger at the factory at a lower cost than doing it anywhere else. So ultimately, and it may be three years from today, I don't know when it'll be, but ultimately the factory home will have a solar roof and the owner of that shingle gets all of the rebates. It's not us. It'll have a factory solar roof, a factory battery, and a factory car charger so that at our houses, someone could park their car in the driveway, plug into their solar car charger at night because the electric is coming from the battery, and charge their car at a lower fuel cost than anywhere else. so that's the ultimate objective at this moment i think it's 20 homes are being delivered uh with the solar shingle uh and that's where we are okay so the your cost on those homes isn't going up to 75 to 80 000 um that 15 000 for the factory done stuff is being uh paid for by solar

run or one of those type of companies out there and that cost is not basically hitting you guys in terms of the cost of the rental unit can i get it all right brett that that is absolutely correct yes okay so no cost no cost differential to you that's a third party okay that's helpful thank you appreciate the time this morning guys thank you and the next question comes from rich anderson with wed bush please go ahead thanks and good morning um uh what gives you the confidence Yeah, Brett here.

So if you go back to 2023, when we had adequate inventory, we were able to rent close to 1,000 homes, and including sales, I think it was around 1,100 total homes moved from our inventory. Last year, given the challenges we had in 2023, obtaining the homes, getting them set up, utility issues, carrying costs related to interest on floor plan, et cetera, we were just a little bit more conservative in the first quarter, which really sets us up for occupancy gains throughout the year. So this year right now, we have about, including our joint venture, 680 homes in inventory or on order, I'm sorry. We've got about 490 of those already delivered to our communities. About 390 of those were delivered within the last six months. So we already have a better starting inventory place than we did. These homes are located in strong markets where they, you know, generally rent as soon as they're fully set up and CO'd and ready for occupancy. So we anticipate faster growth in the rental home program in the first half than we saw last year, and we will more aggressively order homes as we're occupying homes at these strong-demand locations. There's definitely a good chance that a lot of those homes in inventory get sold. Again, same strategy. We would go and continue to replace those homes, and if somebody wants to come in and buy it, we will sell it to them. If somebody wants to rent it, we will rent it to them. We do anticipate growing sales last year, given some of the expansions we've opened that we discussed earlier on the call. You know, I would think that sales of new homes should be in the 200 new homes next year. I think we did about 130 last year.

136, yeah.

We expect growing sales, but again, I think that we're going to see a lot more of our growth through the rental program at our high demand locations, which have historically proven that they're able to do this. Again, going back to 2023, we had one community that rented 100 homes. We had several other communities that rented 60 or 70. Those properties do still have vacancy and do still have strong demand and are doing a good job keeping their occupancy rates up on the existing rental program. So, you know, not promising. We'll hit those exact numbers again, but we do believe that we'll be able to get 800 new homes in this year on the rental front and hopefully sell 200 new homes. okay and then um you know sam we we talked uh no go ahead okay sure yeah um so we talked uh you know a month or so ago the ability to sell more well the important point is umh has over a 50

year history operating communities and we have you know absolutely proven that communities with factory-built homes for sale or rent work it's that simple we're the we're the most efficient provider of housing because the factories provide a great product at a low price and then we provide a great community at a fair price. And there are people who only need housing on a one or three year basis. They see themselves as temporary. Those are always going to be renters. And because we opened the door to those people, right, previously that door was closed to them. Previously the original model of manufactured home communities was you own the home and rented the lot. So that whole group of people was not a potential customer. We've brought 10,300 of those people in as customers. Now, sales continue because as somebody lives in a rental and says, you know, this is a great community, and this is where I want to live, and the house, they appreciate and value, you build equity in the house. Now, as this occurs, we get more and more sales, and we've done a great job putting our communities near each other and our marketing and all of that increasing sales. But add to that, the possible changes in the finance laws, if it happens, would create a dramatic increase in home sales.

Do you, when you're talking to your rental, is there a very...

Well, we do convert resident-owned homes to rentals today. you know they build equity in their house they only get the rent increase on the lot rent not on the full home rent so they reduce the rent increase by basically 50 percent by owning the home uh you know i i i don't talk to enough residents to give you an actual survey but but my you know the ultimate objective is 100 to 300 and maybe more of those 15 year old homes each year could be sold to the existing resident, and we'd continue to still grow the rental home portfolio by 800 units with 800 new rentals.

Okay, that's really interesting. I just would be really curious of that, you know, if you ever were to do a survey. Thank you.

And the next question comes from Craig Cucera with Lucid Capital Markets.

Please go ahead. yeah hey good morning guys um you know your leverage has significantly dropped over the past couple of years and i'd be curious to hear is there a target that umh is looking to work toward uh or has this just been a matter of taking advantage of the capital markets we great we are as we as you know we've always been a conservative company our net debt to total market cap is usually in the 30% to 40% range.

We did take advantage of the capital markets, but don't forget, every year we are a growing company. Based on our business plan, we need between $120 to $150 million a year. So therefore, we opportunistically raise additional capital, which we believe that we will use. Additionally, we did have $115 million in debt coming due, So we wanted to make sure that we had the capital not only to pay down our debt, but also to grow our company. So we did have additional ATM proceeds last year, which is fine, which is great, because we will be using it this year.

Our goal is to build at least 1,000 homes a year, and I'd like to see UMH do 2,000 homes a year. And if it costs $100,000 for the home installed, the total cost is $200,000, or even call it $250,000, so it's $200 million to do 1,000 homes, and we'd like to do even more. So it's a capital-intensive business, and it takes a long time to build these communities and to get the community filled and to get the rents where it's very productive. But we've been doing it a long time, and we're going to continue to do it, and we're going to continue to grow the company, both equity capital, preferred capital, and debt capital. And if I can add one thing, the country is doing one thing in housing very well, and that's the government-sponsored entities. What Anna said is we can get long-term financing of our communities that are below 6% in this market at this time, and that's simply amazing. Other REITs that are in different categories, offices, hotels, they don't have the advantage of the government-sponsored entities, And they're paying two, three, four points higher than we have access to the capital market, the debt market. So it's a big advantage to our sector and to UMH.

Okay, great. Changing gears, Brad, I think your operating expense budget typically is about 5% to 7% on the same store basis. Is that still the expectation in 2025? Or is there maybe going to be a little bit more excess because of the very snowy winter and snow removal costs?

Or any color that would be appreciated? yeah i would say um you know five to seven percent is still the right range honestly five percent would be phenomenal i think it's probably in the six to seven percent range given you know what you mentioned with uh storm snow removal etc i'd also add there there's a few other items that are in our uh eight percent in the fourth quarter professional fees related to some various projects and tax appeals and things like that that uh increased um which we don't expect to happen the next year. So, you know, we feel pretty comfortable for the full year 2025, we will be in that, call it 6% to 7% range. 5% would be great. There's probably going to be some other additional inflationary pressure on our operations.

Got it. That's appreciated. Let's talk about UMH Finance for a second. Just given what's happened with home prices, are you seeing any change in the typical buyer versus a few years ago? You know, Are they maybe better credits or higher income than they were that have been completely pushed out of maybe potentially buying a single family home or has credit and income been relatively constant over the last few years?

No, my belief is the widening of the affordability gap, plus the fact that we're building these great expansions, putting in, you know, extremely high-end homes better than any homes of the past, you know, results in higher credit quality, you know, higher down payments. You can see the percentage that paid cash for the home. So as conventional, as the, you know, conventional home sales are currently a little bit blocked. But as people can sell their existing home, you're going to see more and more of them downsize and buy a house from us, all cash. And those are going to be our highest end homes that, you know, $250,000 to $300,000 with lot rents of about $750,000 per month. And that's, you know, it's kind of more like 2006. when we were selling the biggest most expensive houses to people downsizing and i see that occurring you know for the next five years while we have available expansion lots great just just one more for me i'd be curious if you had any conversations with the manufactured housing builders about how tariffs might impact their business you know is they are they worried about input costs or maybe would there be any supply chain issues brett do you have anything there i don't know of anything.

All I can really say there is that in speaking with and ordering homes from our manufacturers we haven't experienced any issues yet. You know backlogs are still in that call it eight week range some of them a little bit further out than that so to this point there haven't been any major problems. I'm sure it's something our manufacturers are worried about but we'll update you as we get more information there.

Okay, great. Thanks.

And the next question comes from John Masoka with B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Morning. So with the acquisitions, you know, I know you kind of gave the cap rate, but what's kind of the stabilized return you're looking for across that entire pipeline?

Yeah, so looking out over, call it five years, we should be yielding in the six and a half to seven percent range on these properties.

Appreciate that caller. And then on the in-place portfolio, any change in kind of bad debt expense in 4Q or even anything you're seeing into this year thus far?

Not at all. We still maintain approximately a one percent write-off, so we're very happy with our experience in that regard.

Okay. um and then you know how should we kind of think about you know headline occupancy as you keep adding new homes to the portfolio i guess is it's the level we kind of saw in 4q you know indicative of where things should go just given it is kind of new vacancy being added portfolio every quarter if you will because you're putting in new sites and you're putting in new rental units etc or is Is there potential for that, you know, vacancy number to shrink even further?

Yeah, so what I would say is that there's definitely potential for this existing pool of assets and the vacancy number to shrink further. You know, overall occupancy in 2024 increased by 216 sites. This is the same property now, broad occupancy to 88%. If we fill 800 new rental homes, sell 200 new homes, I would expect an increase in overall occupancy of 600 to 700 units. You're always going to have some turnover. You're always going to have some obsolescence in our portfolio. So we will be removing some homes as well, which is why there's that gap there. And just thinking about it a little further, 262 units would be about 100 basis point improvement. So that would bring us up into the low 90% range. Now, we are out there looking for value-added acquisitions that do have some more vacancy that would give us more vacant lots to fill and grow income in the future. So, this pool of assets, I would say there's definitely occupancy upside. But, again, I wouldn't be surprised if we do some acquisitions that bring the overall weighted occupancy rate down.

I was just going to say we believe the same stool will continue to go up. It's just the overall, based upon our business plan of buying value-add communities.

Okay. And then with that in mind, how should we think about the split in future acquisitions between OnBalanceSheet and JV? I mean, I guess how value-add would an asset need to be for it to be better structured as a joint venture?

In a sense, we don't know the answer to that question. I'll tell you why. You know, we have the joint venture with Nuveen for development, which works extremely well for both us and Nuveen. And one of those properties, my belief is, is already profitable. We hesitate to do more new development at this moment until we're earning more sales income and more rental profits. Once these three development deals are profitable, next time we might consider doing six because it won't negatively impact our earnings as great as six would today. And then on turnaround properties, we created the Opportunity Zone Fund. If we succeed in getting that law amended, so any investment in affordable housing in an Opportunity Zone would not pay the capital gains tax at the end of 10 years, then we could do many more turnaround properties in the Opportunity Zone without hurting UMH's earnings. So it goes back to our number one goal, keep increasing FFO per share. So we're in a position to increase the dividend, weigh every acquisition with that thought in mind. But those two vehicles, the Nuveen Joint Venture and the Opportunity Zone Fund, give us the opportunity to increase development and rehabilitation without going away from our main goal.

That makes sense. And then last one for me, any update on the kind of single family housing developments that were kind of potentially in the pipeline, either the one in New Jersey or any other kind of opportunities that were out there?

Craig Tosker, you want to cover that?

Sure. We recently entered into a preliminary agreement with a leading national luxury home builder regarding the potential formation of a JV to develop 131 acres in Vineland, New Jersey, adjacent to one of our existing communities. The parties are currently engaged in a 90-day due diligence period during which we intend to commence preliminary discussions for approvals with the municipality. If the parties elect to proceed, then the potential JV partner would seek preliminary subdivision and site plan approval over the next two years, and they would be responsible for the costs in doing so. If the approvals are obtained, the joint venture would then be formally established. The JV partner would construct the roads, the infrastructure, the site improvements, and then sell the improved lots to an affiliate of the joint venture partner which would construct these luxury single-family homes to sell to purchasers umh would contribute the real property to the jv and receive a percentage of the gross sales price of each of the homes it's anticipated to be 20 minus certain deductions okay that was very detailed i appreciate it and that's for me Well, if I could add one more thing.

The nation needs four million houses. If it needs four million houses because of the shortage, we must have four million lots. The builders in this country, they're a tremendous size and they build a lot of lots, but you're talking about a need for land, a need for approved sites. UMH has how many acres? 2,400. We have 2,400 acres that we hope eventually to use that for residential development and either use it for our own manufactured housing or if it's more valuable for single-family development will be used for that, but the nation has a shortage of land, and we have always bought land that is adjacent to our existing communities. We've done that for many, many years, and we have a very nice portfolio of land that we're now putting to work.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Samuel Landy for any closing remarks.

Thank you, operator. I would like to thank the participants on this call for their continued support and interest in our company. As always, Gene and Brett and I are available for any follow-up questions. We look forward to reporting back to you in May with our first quarter 2025 results. Thank you.

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